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BoredwLife 07-06-2009 12:37 PM

The Jamacian cabinent can still shoot this down. The employess are in a huge uproar and are claiming major job loses with future trimming and restructuring.

DAL4EVER 07-06-2009 01:35 PM

Will Spirit drop the champagne flights and replace them instead with 40s of Old English? "Rollin', rollin', rollin'."

captscott26 07-06-2009 02:13 PM

If the Jam govt doesnt protect the employees of Air Jamaica in this deal they are totally screwed. Indigo does what makes money......and if you look at the numbers it is obvious that Spirit makes money, and Air Jamaica doesn't. Not sure if this is accurate but I read that AJ has a CASM more than double what NK's is. What would you do if you were on the Indigo BOD?

PAN PAN PAN 07-07-2009 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by BoredwLife (Post 640197)
The Jamacian cabinent can still shoot this down. The employess are in a huge uproar and are claiming major job loses with future trimming and restructuring.


Be afraid, be very afraid...I know I would be here comes the ULCC business model

WorldTraveler 07-09-2009 06:09 AM

This is just one more example of how airline management has figured out a way around cross border ownership restrictions.

Like it or nor, the Jamaican government will have to do some kind of deal. Spirit will likely have to offer some sort of labor protections. In lieu of this deal, the future for Air Jamaica, looks a lot like Alitalia.

Normann 07-09-2009 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by RAHPilot5 (Post 639334)
Next, RAH buys Spirit :)

next RAH goes CH11 within 3-5 years :)

RemoveB4flght 07-09-2009 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by WorldTraveler (Post 641884)
This is just one more example of how airline management has figured out a way around cross border ownership restrictions.

Like it or nor, the Jamaican government will have to do some kind of deal. Spirit will likely have to offer some sort of labor protections. In lieu of this deal, the future for Air Jamaica, looks a lot like Alitalia.


You can't have your cake and eat it too.. Obviously there is a well founded concern that new ownership will bring about sweeping changes to the company structure, including job cuts. If I were a rank and file employee of Air Jam I would be nervous too.

I don't wish job loss on anyone, but you have to look at the numbers. Air Jamaica was privately owned for nine years before it was re-nationalized back in 2005.

At that time, it posted an operating loss of 90 million for the year, and since then that operating loss has grown to 150 million a year, which is subsidized by the government. That doesn't include an additional 600 million in outstanding loans.

On the other hand, 2009 has shown stellar performance this year in terms of load factor and cancelled flights.

The airline is begging to be streamlined.. and while national identity and airline job loss would appear to be the concerns in the headlines, the country is so dependant on tourism that I would imagine the real concern would be instead to increase frequencies and explore new markets.

Ending the government subsisdized losses and increasing the amount of tourists setting foot on their soil will far outweigh the negative impact of job losses due to streamlining the business model... IMHO

A320Flyer 07-09-2009 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 641975)
You can't have your cake and eat it too.. Obviously there is a well founded concern that new ownership will bring about sweeping changes to the company structure, including job cuts. If I were a rank and file employee of Air Jam I would be nervous too.

I don't wish job loss on anyone, but you have to look at the numbers. Air Jamaica was privately owned for nine years before it was re-nationalized back in 2005.

At that time, it posted an operating loss of 90 million for the year, and since then that operating loss has grown to 150 million a year, which is subsidized by the government. That doesn't include an additional 600 million in outstanding loans.

On the other hand, 2009 has shown stellar performance this year in terms of load factor and cancelled flights.

The airline is begging to be streamlined.. and while national identity and airline job loss would appear to be the concerns in the headlines, the country is so dependant on tourism that I would imagine the real concern would be instead to increase frequencies and explore new markets.

Ending the government subsisdized losses and increasing the amount of tourists setting foot on their soil will far outweigh the negative impact of job losses due to streamlining the business model... IMHO

Agreed completely...


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