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Old 06-04-2006, 10:10 AM   #1  
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Default SWA requirement for 737 type rating.

Okay quick question.

On the SWA page it states that they are hiring pilots w/o a 73 type rating, then states that the airline requires you to get the type rating within 6 months.

Is this standard practice for many LCC airlines?

I am under the impression that, if hired by a regional, that they will pay for your training and type rating in an RJ, etc. Now say I want to move to SWA and try to get picked up, but I don't have a 73 type rating. If the airline hires me, will they train me for it? (w/ pay. . .no PFT, I spit on PFT).

I guess this is kinda a general question that me, being a newb to all of this, will learn eventually. Just wondering if this is something that could also occur at say Air Tran or any other LCC?
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Despite what the web page says, SWA will rarely even interview anyone who does not have the 737 type. I guess they have enough applicants willing to pay for it or who got one somewhere else...

Essentially all regionals, LCCs (except SWA), and majors in the US do not require you to buy aircraft-specific training. Some airlines do have a training contract to ensure you don't take their training and then quit in 3 months to go work elsewhere. There are also a few "pay for training" scams out there where very low-time pilots pay an airline or their affiliate flight school a large sum in exchange for training and a job.
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Despite what the web page says, SWA will rarely even interview anyone who does not have the 737 type. I guess they have enough applicants willing to pay for it or who got one somewhere else...

Essentially all regionals, LCCs (except SWA), and majors in the US do not require you to buy aircraft-specific training. Some airlines do have a training contract to ensure you don't take their training and then quit in 3 months to go work elsewhere. There are also a few "pay for training" scams out there where very low-time pilots pay an airline or their affiliate flight school a large sum in exchange for training and a job.
Alright, appreciate the follow up. Was just wondering.
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Okay quick question.

On the SWA page it states that they are hiring pilots w/o a 73 type rating, then states that the airline requires you to get the type rating within 6 months.

Is this standard practice for many LCC airlines?

I am under the impression that, if hired by a regional, that they will pay for your training and type rating in an RJ, etc. Now say I want to move to SWA and try to get picked up, but I don't have a 73 type rating. If the airline hires me, will they train me for it? (w/ pay. . .no PFT, I spit on PFT).

I guess this is kinda a general question that me, being a newb to all of this, will learn eventually. Just wondering if this is something that could also occur at say Air Tran or any other LCC?

I wouldn't call it PFT, because they don't care how you get the type...ie, if you flew mil or at another airline that gave you the type you haven't paid for anything. The requirement does suck if you didn't go that route. My thought is that they use it as a weed out tool to see who really wants to work there. I do know 4-5 guys that were given job offers before getting the type but they were all check airman types or the like. Latest word from RK is that they won't be calling anymore non-typed pilots in because they need people going into the pool to be ready to go.
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Appreciate it Slice. I'm obviously not in the position to even dream about working at SWA. . . lol.

Was just wondering if this was some sort of standard practice for entry level FO that are moving up from a regional.
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SWA requires the type because it lowers their insurance bill. Maybe there's other reasons but this is what I've been told by people in the know.

SWA does hire a fair amount of pilots without the type who then get the type and start class.

Anyone who is serious about flying for SWA should attend their company sponsored open house on Saturday June 10 in DAL. It is at the training center and begins at 8:00am.

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Despite what the web page says, SWA will rarely even interview anyone who does not have the 737 type. I guess they have enough applicants willing to pay for it or who got one somewhere else.
I finished a trip last month with a guy that was hired at SWA without a type rating. He got it prior to starting class and paid about $6k for it. More than worth it IMO, as he'll more than make it up jumping from regional CA to SWA FO after his first year.
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SWA requires the type because it lowers their insurance bill. Maybe there's other reasons but this is what I've been told by people in the know.

SWA does hire a fair amount of pilots without the type who then get the type and start class.

Anyone who is serious about flying for SWA should attend their company sponsored open house on Saturday June 10 in DAL. It is at the training center and begins at 8:00am.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it also cuts their new hire sim training in half - from about 40 hours of sim time to 20. If you already have the type, you need less training in the aircraft to meet FAA requirements for 121 new hire. Half the training, half the cost. A big avantage when you hire as many pilots as SWA does. Is there a SWA pilot or insider out here that can confirm this?

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I finished a trip last month with a guy that was hired at SWA without a type rating. He got it prior to starting class and paid about $6k for it. More than worth it IMO, as he'll more than make it up jumping from regional CA to SWA FO after his first year.
Yes, there are a few guys who get interviewed pre-type, but not many. And the $6K was certainly worth it now that he already has the job offer.

My sore spot is that there are many folks out there who buy the type and then attend an interview with a 20-30% selection opportunity...I feel bad for those folks and refuse to be one of them. SWA should not create the environment where you have to blow $6k+ to have a reasonable shot at an interview. They can still require you to get the type after the job offer and prior to class date if that's what they need.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it also cuts their new hire sim training in half - from about 40 hours of sim time to 20. If you already have the type, you need less training in the aircraft to meet FAA requirements for 121 new hire. Half the training, half the cost. A big avantage when you hire as many pilots as SWA does.
True, but what if other airlines required you to buy a type prior to transitioning to a new aircraft...some airlines have LOTS of different aircraft on property. You'd be blowing $8-10K every few years as your career progressed...

It's just not somewhere we really want to go...
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