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07-16-2009, 07:04 PM

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Carl Spackler

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If you arrest someone and you do not have the authority to do so, that is false arrest, and false imprisonment. If it was not airport police, Newport News police and TSA doesn't have arrest authority, whoever did this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The Captain needs to see the District Attorney immediately and file charges.

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07-16-2009, 08:49 PM

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Ski Patrol

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TSA has been given way to much latitude lately and they appear to be gaining momentum. We now have "agents"

spying on crews at the airport to see if walk-arounds are done correctly,

what next? We should be very concerned with the increasing authority delegated to.....well you know.

07-16-2009, 09:02 PM

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USMCFLYR

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ski Patrol

TSA has been given way to much latitude lately and they appear to be gaining momentum. We now have "agents" spying on crews at the airport to see if walk-arounds are done correctly,

what next? We should be very concerned with the increasing authority delegated to.....well you know.

Ski -

Can you elaborate on this more? Are you saying that they are watching, and then reporting on, your preflight inspection?

USMCFLYR

07-16-2009, 09:03 PM

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BigToe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ski Patrol

We now have "agents"

spying on crews at the airport to see if walk-arounds are done correctly,

Can you explain this a bit more? Are you saying TSA is spying on crews to see if we are doing our walkarounds? Or are you sayng something else? And where are you gettng this info from?

Thanks in advance

07-16-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

Well, I know a POI who likes to hang out in the ATL terminal 'observing' crew members doing their preflight inspections through the window... He usually hangs out drinking Starbucks coffee with his TSA friends observing the crews.

I haven't heard about TSA agents being given the authority to evaluate preflight inspections but I have no doubt they believe so themselves...

All aircraft pitot tubes should be clearly marked "TSA - STAY AWAY!"

07-16-2009, 09:42 PM

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wheresmyplane

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There was also talk of CVG TSA watching safety inspections. Sometimes they would go so far as to put a little flag in one of the million doors on the CRJ to see if you'd notice it. I guess jamming a piece of cloth/plastic somewhere in an airplane that wasn't meant to hold that particular piece of material wasn't deemed a safety risk... Oh, and a guy that would have a regular SIDA badge with a picture of a german shepherd on it just to see if anyone would notice... If they didn't - violation time.

07-16-2009, 09:44 PM

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kalyx522

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Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCFLYR

Ski -

Can you elaborate on this more? Are you saying that they are watching, and then reporting on, your preflight inspection?

USMCFLYR

I dont know about anyone else, but I had a TSA guy come out and watch me do my preflight once. The question I wondered is how this average joe TSA guy would know what I am looking for, or if I missed something, or even if I really was doing the preflight for that matter instead of just looking like I was doing it. I just didn't understand the point of it all.

07-16-2009, 10:44 PM

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dojetdriver

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Originally Posted by kalyx522

Good point. Per TSA and all that other crap, there are panels we are required to open and inspect on certain flights. Depending on the destination and departure. These panels have to be opened on the outbound as well as the inbound leg, as well as at the outstation. So one turn results in THREE complete panel opening inspections. I've had times where I came from Mexico, had to do two of them, THEN did a Mexico turn and did THREE of them. So FIVE total between 3 legs.

The funny thing is, the "legacy" we feed for that goes to some of the same cities and uses an aircraft that has panels accessible to a crew member doing a preflight/postflight inspections doesn't require their crew members to do the same thing.

07-16-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kalyx522

I dont know about anyone else, but I had a TSA guy come out and watch me do my preflight once.

Private pilot (for now) speaking...

IMO that is unacceptable. A professional should not be subject to scrutiny by somebody who has not been trained in that profession. That person was clearly out of line. That type of behavior was clearly out of line and is the sort of thing that needs to be nipped in the bud before it gets out of hand (like pay, contracts etc..all those problems started small).

Is there any sort of place where this stuff can be reported? It needs to be followed up with swift and severe consequences for the offending party.

Pilots used to be at the top of the food chain. It's sad to see that very little remains of the prestigious profession that I fell in love with all those years ago.

07-17-2009, 02:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Senior Skipper

Private pilot (for now) speaking...

IMO that is unacceptable. A professional should not be subject to scrutiny by somebody who has not been trained in that profession. That person was clearly out of line. That type of behavior was clearly out of line and is the sort of thing that needs to be nipped in the bud before it gets out of hand (like pay, contracts etc..all those problems started small).

Is there any sort of place where this stuff can be reported? It needs to be followed up with swift and severe consequences for the offending party.

Pilots used to be at the top of the food chain. It's sad to see that very little remains of the prestigious profession that I fell in love with all those years ago.

You're joking right? Prestigious profession? What is prestigious about being an airline pilot. Top of what food chain? Airline pilots are just labor and to think otherwise is well.....it just isn't the case.