UAL-MEC kills pilot forum - blames virus
07-23-2009, 10:18 AM
#21
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Skippy,
Your post seems to start with a paragraph that is numbered 2. I'd be curious to see the whole document if privacy concerns allow it. Also, can you reveal the source? UAL pilot? Who? It's a great read.
Your post seems to start with a paragraph that is numbered 2. I'd be curious to see the whole document if privacy concerns allow it. Also, can you reveal the source? UAL pilot? Who? It's a great read.
07-23-2009, 11:04 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,836
Heyas,
There is case history where if it is found that the union (or employer) is interfering with free speech, there are horrific penalties and damages, not only to the union or corporation, but the individuals responsible are also held personally liable.
Unions cannot delete so much as a forum message without being EXTREMELY careful of this. Your message pretty much has to explicitly violate the terms of service (no calling names, personal threats, etc). As mentioned above, if they do, the responsibility falls on the union, communication chairman, right down to the forum administrator who actually deleted the message, and they can all be held collectively and individually liable.
If you can prove that they have interfered with your freedom of speech, you make bank.
Look up the Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act (LMRDA)
Nu
There is case history where if it is found that the union (or employer) is interfering with free speech, there are horrific penalties and damages, not only to the union or corporation, but the individuals responsible are also held personally liable.
Unions cannot delete so much as a forum message without being EXTREMELY careful of this. Your message pretty much has to explicitly violate the terms of service (no calling names, personal threats, etc). As mentioned above, if they do, the responsibility falls on the union, communication chairman, right down to the forum administrator who actually deleted the message, and they can all be held collectively and individually liable.
If you can prove that they have interfered with your freedom of speech, you make bank.
Look up the Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act (LMRDA)
Nu
07-23-2009, 01:13 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 520
Originally Posted by aquagreen73s
Skippy,
Your post seems to start with a paragraph that is numbered 2. I'd be curious to see the whole document if privacy concerns allow it. Also, can you reveal the source? UAL pilot? Who? It's a great read.
Your post seems to start with a paragraph that is numbered 2. I'd be curious to see the whole document if privacy concerns allow it. Also, can you reveal the source? UAL pilot? Who? It's a great read.
i numbered the items in the post:
1. union sick call above normal email
2. union discussing united's on the cliff financial situation
what i rec'd i posted to the letter- i didnt add or subtract anything.
the source were both blast emails from United's MEC
SKIPPY
07-23-2009, 03:35 PM
#28
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Position: B777 Capt
Posts: 844
Originally Posted by skyslug
Tried to log into the forum yesterday (morning?) and my antivirus software went balistic and notified me that there was a trojan horse from that site and quarantined it. It did indeed have a virus!
Suuuuuure. No problem. Tell wallach we all believe you
What is the name of the virus your computer is infected with. Perhaps we could actually see if what you wrote is TRUE or perhaps you are towing the Wallach company line in trying to say it is "virus". Please forgive me and the rest of the pilots that have more than a single cell working in our heads if we are skeptical of what is published by ALPA. UA ALPA was once a bastion of great leaders and people interested in making the job better and the future secure. Instead it is run by a group of mongers that are out for themselves, are self absorbed egomaniacs that couldn't negotiate with a lemonade stand operator without giving up something crucial. Our guys would get a cup of ice and promise of lemonade at a later date. Except they would give themselves some nice fat reward for finding the stand in the first place.
This virus thing is sham. Wallach is sham and the entire ALPA "is here to help you" mantra is a sham. Some very bad things are on the horizon for us without some vector changes from both ALPA and the company. Failure to adjust our leadership is akin to the company failing the adjust their leadership. With today's announcement that Tauge is taking the lead it appears Tilton is giving reign to a another leader. Now the question becomes, when does ALPA get rid of Wallach? He has proven to be a force of incompetence and has managed ALPA as poorly as Tilton has managed the company.
It there is a request for the UA pilots to wake up, it needs to include a recall of Wallach and putting in place an MEC Chairman that is set to see the pilot group prosper and not stoke just his ego as Wallach has done.
L
Last edited by Lambourne; 07-23-2009 at 04:01 PM.
07-23-2009, 03:47 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B737 CAPT IAH
Posts: 1,130
Originally Posted by jetjock
I don't know why they shut it down but yesterday I tried to get on the forum and couldn't and I now have a virus on my computer and can't seem to get rid of it.
Wanna bet that they can fix a problem like this quickly? I would.
Look between the lines friend.
Frats,
Lee
07-23-2009, 04:09 PM
#30
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Position: B777
Posts: 586
Originally Posted by Lambourne
Suuuuuure. No problem. Tell wallach we all believe you
What is the name of the virus your computer is infected with. Perhaps we could actually see if what you wrote is TRUE or perhaps you are towing the Wallach company line in trying to say it is "virus". Please forgive me and the rest of the pilots that have more than a single cell working in our heads if we are skeptical of what is published by ALPA. UA ALPA was once a bastion of great leaders and people interested in making the job better and the future secure. Instead it is run by a group of mongers that are out for themselves, are self absorbed egomaniacs that couldn't negotiate with a lemonade stand operator without giving up something crucial. Our guys would get a cup of ice and promise of lemonade at a later date. Except they would give themselves some nice fat reward for finding the stand in the first place.
This virus thing is sham. Wallach is sham and the entire ALPA "is here to help you" mantra is a sham. Some very bad things are on the horizon for us without some vector changes from both ALPA and the company. Failure to adjust our leadership is akin to the company failing the adjust their leadership. With today's announcement that Tauge is taking the lead it appears Tilton is giving reign to a another leader. Now the question becomes, when does ALPA get rid of Wallach? He has proven to be a force of incompetence and has managed ALPA as poorly as Tilton has managed the company.
It there is a request for the UA pilots to wake up, it needs to include a recall of Wallach and putting in place an MEC Chairman that is set to see the pilot group prosper and not stoke just his ego as Wallach has done.
L
What is the name of the virus your computer is infected with. Perhaps we could actually see if what you wrote is TRUE or perhaps you are towing the Wallach company line in trying to say it is "virus". Please forgive me and the rest of the pilots that have more than a single cell working in our heads if we are skeptical of what is published by ALPA. UA ALPA was once a bastion of great leaders and people interested in making the job better and the future secure. Instead it is run by a group of mongers that are out for themselves, are self absorbed egomaniacs that couldn't negotiate with a lemonade stand operator without giving up something crucial. Our guys would get a cup of ice and promise of lemonade at a later date. Except they would give themselves some nice fat reward for finding the stand in the first place.
This virus thing is sham. Wallach is sham and the entire ALPA "is here to help you" mantra is a sham. Some very bad things are on the horizon for us without some vector changes from both ALPA and the company. Failure to adjust our leadership is akin to the company failing the adjust their leadership. With today's announcement that Tauge is taking the lead it appears Tilton is giving reign to a another leader. Now the question becomes, when does ALPA get rid of Wallach? He has proven to be a force of incompetence and has managed ALPA as poorly as Tilton has managed the company.
It there is a request for the UA pilots to wake up, it needs to include a recall of Wallach and putting in place an MEC Chairman that is set to see the pilot group prosper and not stoke just his ego as Wallach has done.
L
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