Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 666146)

Don't bet on it. UAL has a very big reason to not let this transpire. When it comes down to brass tacks I'll bet UAL looks for a DOH scenario while CAL pushes for Relative Seniority.

Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 665501)

I don't think you really understand the scope of the reality that UA is in right now. Based on UA's current cash position and it's operating cost in relation to it's revenue stream, the company will most likely be forced into bankruptcy in the next 6-9 months. If you look at CAL by contrast, they are not bleeding at the same rate as UA, and the operating costs are much lower. Hence, "the wait for the chips to fall", and acquire United under much more attractive terms. If this is the case, then I can almost assure you that this will turn out like the America West/USair fiasco in terms of seniority integration.

One can only hope that both sides have learned the lessons from USair, and that the employees at the company being acquired are always at a disadvantage based on career expectations.

Best of luck to both.

Originally Posted by SOTeric (Post 666242)

What brings you to this conclusion?

Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 666253)

The bottom 1/3 of our list would basically be receivg a staple job with DOH, while UAL would argue that relative seniority would penalize a good portion of their list. Both carriers basically hired opposite each other for the last 20 years.

Not sure what the furlough line is at UAL, but the UAL guys on the street are probably senior to a good many of the bottom guys over here.

DOH would work out well for me but I certainly would hate to see the bottom 1/3 of our guys get shafted.

Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 665677)

Those numbers again exist in a vacuum. Maybe it is youth that is making this difficult for you understand. 6-9months in airline lifespan is fairly long. Again, I don't know if UAL will be in BK or not but I think there is some things taking place to stem the possibility. Of course you would know better from reading forbes. You neglected to post this:Response from United Airlines to My Forbes Commentary on - Shaun Rein -- Seeking Alpha


What I find ironic is that in spite of the Guitar Man and the opinion of the forbes guy, is that our LF is running higher than planned, thus attributing to some of the stock price run up. Also, don't forget that the guitar damage was caused when riding on an RJ. When you hire carriers for express operations that have nothing at stake, indifferent crews and poor infrastructure your own product suffers. This is one of the many problems RJ's have contributed to the industry.



No sir, I suspect you wouldn't understand. It is more endemic of the problems that exist in the industry. See the above paragraph.

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You seem a bit sensitive to your place in the industry. Maybe you should stop predicting the demise of the other carriers and start figuring out where the payoff is for your future in the industry. I was for retaining scope. However, our senior pilots at the time. The same ones that are going to have the throttles pulled from their tired, dead hands at 65 sold us a bill of goods. The argument from our union was that we as a corporation could either buy widebody aircraft or RJ's. We all know how that turned out.



And clearly you know nothing of the fleet makeup and career expectations of the two carriers as it currently stands. If you take the airlines as they currently exist. Furloughing and removing airframes. I will not argue the merits of either carrier over the other as a going entity because I believe that only creates jabs on this board. I would hope my carrier and my future holds a job. If it doesn't then I will adapt. However, UAL does bring a significant number of widebody jobs to the mix. Both carriers have complementing route structures. CAL brings a group that has seen challenges and have overcome them. So your position is that the UAL pilots should be stapled at CAL? Maybe you should read the ALPA merger policy regarding windfalls!

One of the greatest things about your thoughts on this matter is that they will have nothing to do with the outcome IF merger were to take place. It would most like be decided by the pilot groups and if it is correct that you are a ERJ pilot then you WON'T have a seat at the table for those discussions.

L

Originally Posted by contrail67 (Post 665689)

Funny how all the failed interviews come out first.

Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 666312)

Your anger is misplaced, you think anyone with a business opinion on the matter is plotting against you, so you've resolved to childish character attacks.

I quoted you a page from the ALPA merger policy, and you quoted me a "Christmas wish list".

I asked you to denote the correlation between the wages at my airline (which btw are industry leading along with our contract) and your company's poor financial state and poor management, and you failed to connect the dots.

Frankly, I feel sorry for your predicament, I can only assume that your emotional and irrational responses are the byproduct of years of frustration under the thumb of a spineless CEO and a worthless MEC. As such, I will not engaged in a character attack with someone that lacks both the character and vision on account of the circumstances they have been exposed to. All I can say to you friend is best of luck.

Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 666320)

I didn't sense any anger in his response to you... You on the other hand are more 'emotional and irrational' in your posts. IMO of course.

In fact I thought his response was pretty spot on. If you can't understand that the erosion of flying to feeder carriers and the desire to put bigger jets in your fleet and outsource MORE flying is driven by your low wages and low overall cost of your CBA....then I don't know what to say. The assault on our scope is an attempt to shift flying to lower COST entities. In UAs wet dream they see 90 & 110 seat jets being flown by the 'feeders'. The only reason that is appealing is that it costs LESS money. What other dots am I missing? I'm not personally attacking you, but you have to see where you stand on the playing board.

ALPA Merger policy is not something that can be quoted in part and be accurate. It simply provides a framework of principles to reach an agreement. You toss out 'career expectations' like it really means something!!! No one can define someones career expectations outside the scope of todays reality. Having 150 787s on order doesn't mean jack. 150 787s on the ramp...that's a whole 'nuther story.

axl

Originally Posted by shinysideup (Post 666035)

Maybe it's time to start negotiating that master list NOW, between ALPA groups, so that no matter who merges with who we have a single list from which we can generate the list of the new merged carrier.