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Fly4hire 09-19-2009 06:38 AM

Dal/jb?
 
Not sure what's up, but 2 JB 320 acft parked out back by NW/DAL hangar C in MSP - the ones used for heavy check, new acft prep, and other deep maintenance. This is not where you park overnight acft. JB off shores their heavy maintenance.

Since JB is selling some acft these might be possible DAL acquisitions? Also buying JB whole would solve the JFK terminal issue :D.

Something is going on.....

slowplay 09-19-2009 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 680830)
Not sure what's up, but 2 JB 320 acft parked out back by NW/DAL hangar C in MSP - the ones used for heavy check, new acft prep, and other deep maintenance. This is not where you park overnight acft. JB off shores their heavy maintenance.

Since JB is selling some acft these might be possible DAL acquisitions? Also buying JB whole would solve the JFK terminal issue :D.

I don't know why the aircraft are parked in MSP, but buying JBLU would not solve the terminal issue. Their terminal is a beautiful domestic terminal that isn't configured for widebodies/customs clearance. If I'm not mistaken, their international flights use Terminal 4 customs.

johnso29 09-19-2009 07:19 AM

Charters maybe? They might not fit over on the Corporate side?

xtreme 09-19-2009 07:52 AM

Maybe something broke on them and needed to be fixed and they do the contract MX there? We often have Comair planes parked by our hangar in PHL.

reddog25 09-19-2009 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by xtreme (Post 680875)
Maybe something broke on them and needed to be fixed and they do the contract MX there? We often have Comair planes parked by our hangar in PHL.

Yes, but JB does not fly to MSP. Saw the same thing as well. However buying JB airplanes doesn't make sense. Have ya seen how many jets we have parked all over the MSP hangar ramps. Last time I saw those many idle airplanes was the night before our strike:confused:

NuGuy 09-19-2009 10:04 AM

Heyas,

If I recall, JBs Airbusses have V2500s, which don't play nice with CFMs.

There are better places to get a few Airbii that have CFMs....unless they're going for the whole kit'n'kaboodle!

Nu

acl65pilot 09-19-2009 11:02 AM

They do the CAL charter for the Min/Cal game this week? If not they might be for some of the fans. They like Jet Blue in CA.

Logger 09-19-2009 11:27 AM

The company is very active in football and business charters right now. We are also in PHL this weekend for a charter, which would logically then make us additionally an airways rumour...

tsquare 09-20-2009 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 680830)
Also buying JB whole would solve the JFK terminal issue :D.

No... it wouldn't; no customs, and it won't fit big airplanes withour a big remodel.

CRFguy 09-20-2009 10:31 AM

If JB is purchased control of T5 goes back to the port authority, a "poison pill" so to speak...

stbloc 09-20-2009 12:48 PM

Flight Aware shows they left to OAK Saturday evening.

FlightAware > JetBlue Airways #4447

sailingfun 09-20-2009 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by CRFguy (Post 681367)
If JB is purchased control of T5 goes back to the port authority, a "poison pill" so to speak...


All terminals in JFK are owned by the port authority with the exception of terminal 4. Delta has a good relationship with the port authority so that would not present any real problem.

Airhoss 09-20-2009 02:25 PM

Jet Blue has purchased Delta. The Delta guys are getting stapled to the bottom of the list. It's true because you just read it on the net.

buffmike80 09-20-2009 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 681431)
Delta has a good relationship with the port authority so that would not present any real problem.

Then Delta should not have any problems having a new terminal built for them.:cool:

80ktsClamp 09-20-2009 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by buffmike80 (Post 681583)
Then Delta should not have any problems having a new terminal built for them.:cool:


Any ideas where to put it, haha? Last I checked there wasn't a glut of available real estate at that craphole.

Logger 09-20-2009 07:43 PM

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⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 09-20-2009 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 680942)
... JBs Airbusses have V2500s, which don't play nice with CFMs.

There are better places to get a few Airbii that have CFMs....unless they're going for the whole kit'n'kaboodle!

Nu

Is it Airbusses or Airbii? I'm always confused on that... After all, it's 1 bus and 2 busses so why should it be 1 Airbus and 2 Airbii? Airbii sounds weird to me? :confused:

yoke jerker 09-21-2009 01:57 AM

it must be the ol alumnus,alumni rule...

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 09-21-2009 02:08 AM


Originally Posted by yoke jerker (Post 681695)
it must be the ol alumnus,alumni rule...

Well, that's Latin whereas Airbus is an English word (or maybe French? ;)). Besides, it would be alumnii based on that theory and it's alumni... I'm just curious, that's all.

sailingfun 09-21-2009 05:07 AM

They wont have any real problems. They have the Mayor and Governer behind the NYC expansion. The big increase in flights out of LGA will allow them to shift some JFK flying to LGA to help build a new terminal. The design is complete and looks great. The big question is timing and how the port authority will finance everything. Terminals are joint projects since the Port authority retains ownership. Once the new terminal is done Delta plans a major expansion in JFK. Timeline however to complete a new terminal is 4 to 5 years out. There is still some hope for terminal 8 and the Port authority may be putting some pressure on American. That is the first choice. The new design is plan 2.
If they go with plan 2 terminal 3 will be demolished and that area will become a big pad and alley area. No new terminal will be built there. Terminal 4 will be extended almost out to T-way A. Terminal 2 would then be rebuilt after 4 is complete.

Sink r8 09-21-2009 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 681688)
Is it Airbusses or Airbii? I'm always confused on that... After all, it's 1 bus and 2 busses so why should it be 1 Airbus and 2 Airbii? Airbii sounds weird to me? :confused:

I would guess most Airbusses are bi.

B7ER Guy 09-21-2009 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 681456)
Jet Blue has purchased Delta. The Delta guys are getting stapled to the bottom of the list. It's true because you just read it on the net.

Does that mean we get to ditch the hat?:D

NuGuy 09-21-2009 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 681456)
Jet Blue has purchased Delta. The Delta guys are getting stapled to the bottom of the list. It's true because you just read it on the net.

Woot! That means free airplanes and MX forever!

Nu

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 09-21-2009 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 681739)
I would guess most Airbusses are bi.

That's funny! :D

buzzpat 09-21-2009 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 681739)
I would guess most Airbusses are bi.

Well, they are French...

tsquare 09-21-2009 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 681586)
Any ideas where to put it, haha? Last I checked there wasn't a glut of available real estate at that craphole.

Actually, there is a TON of real estate available there. There are lots of old maintenance hangars that are one bulldozer away from the ground. And it wouldn't take a particularly skilled operator to do that either. Take a good look around next time you are there, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

buddies8 09-21-2009 04:33 PM

oh yes. (i need 10 characters)

sailingfun 09-22-2009 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 682031)
Actually, there is a TON of real estate available there. There are lots of old maintenance hangars that are one bulldozer away from the ground. And it wouldn't take a particularly skilled operator to do that either. Take a good look around next time you are there, and you'll see what I'm talking about.


One of the options looked at would have done exactly that. The new terminal would have gone in on the North side of the airport where cargo is now handled. The check in area would have been Jet Blue's old terminal. Once you checked in there would have been trains under 13l/31R to get you to the main termainal. I think the idea was dropped because the cost of the tunnels would have been huge. JFK is built on reclaimed marshland. Not easy to tunnel in. The cargo area's don't have the roads and infrastructure for a terminal and check in area.

Sink r8 09-22-2009 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 682239)
One of the options looked at would have done exactly that. The new terminal would have gone in on the North side of the airport where cargo is now handled. The check in area would have been Jet Blue's old terminal. Once you checked in there would have been trains under 13l/31R to get you to the main termainal. I think the idea was dropped because the cost of the tunnels would have been huge. JFK is built on reclaimed marshland. Not easy to tunnel in. The cargo area's don't have the roads and infrastructure for a terminal and check in area.

Not to mention the fact that access by aircraft could be either marginal, or horrid, depending on the runway in use. I think the best configuartion to get in and out is between two main runways, with several means of accessing A/B. That's what makes the AMR terminal so good. They can push between their own piers, and go out in two directions at least. Aircraft parked outside of their outer pier can go in/out with even fewer restrictions. Too bad they don't seem to use much of it.

With that being said, a Terminal 4 set-up, with two taxilanes between the fingers, would allow a lot of options to get in and out. The only thing that doesn't work is our current set-up at LA and MB. KK is slightly less convoluted, but there is at least one misguided soul work ramp tower who is determined to make it just as screwed up as the rest. It's the guy who likes to tell you to push back at a 45 abeam your own gate.

Airhoss 09-22-2009 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by B7ER Guy (Post 681815)
Does that mean we get to ditch the hat?:D

Yes and you get to buy your uniforms at the TSA store with the rest of the JB guys. ;)

Raptor01 09-22-2009 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 682425)
Yes and you get to buy your uniforms at the TSA store with the rest of the JB guys. ;)

Wrong....JB had the blue shirts first. TSA buys their shirts from the JB store.
:D


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