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Old 10-20-2009, 08:47 PM
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So, what's a good excuse for landing on a taxiway? Fatigue? Nice try. Good luck with their future endeavors.

not an excuse, but a reason why it happened.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:08 PM
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I'm definitely anxious to hear what happened. Unless there's a fire I'm not seeing any circumstance where I'd land on the taxiway with a plane full of people.
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:31 AM
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Agreed about the FA's.
Ummm yes I'm sure F/A's have confidence in the sky gods they fly with who decide to land their aircraft in some other area of the globe on some off airport ather than the actual intended destination.
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:42 AM
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Ummm yes I'm sure F/A's have confidence in the sky gods they fly with who decide to land their aircraft in some other area of the globe on some off airport ather than the actual intended destination.

Could they do it any better????? Thank you.
Cracks me up when FA's try to say they could do our job as if downplaying what we do. Let them come up and try. Not even a comparison at the amount of responsibility Capt.

Again, wait until the facts come out. Comparing an FA job to a Pilot job cannot be compared. I just dont like when FA's act as if they are in command over an aircraft more so than an FO. I seriously chuckle to myself when they come at me with that attitude.

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Old 10-21-2009, 03:52 AM
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Did the tower not call for a go-around? I takes more than a few seconds to line up for a stabilized approach
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
While I agree with everything ACL is saying, let me just play Devil's Advocate here for a second with regards to the whole "There were three sets of eyeballs" crowd. Suppose the medical emergency was happening in the cockpit? You can easily get down to only one person aviating, navigating, and communicating.
Ok so you have a cockpit medical emergency. You are flying an airplane that has three autopilots and is capable of CATIIb landing in 300 RVR. That is one capable second pilot if the cockpit is down to one human in the seat. Also, if you hook that bad boy up, he won't likely land on a taxiway. Heck it won't even let you turn off the runway until you disconnect it!

Not sure if DL trains a simulation of an incapacitated pilot but I know we do. The goal of the exercise is to see the remaining pilot use the A/P and land the airplane safely on a RUNWAY.

Now it seems that ACL and others are saying the pilots were too busy with the medical emergency somewhere on the plane to land the airplane between the white lights vs the blue. My question now is were all of the pilots in the cockpit during the medical event? If not, why? The leaving the cockpit undermanned and perhaps a pilot in the cabin could be considered a security risk. Hope the next plot by the bad guys is to feign sickness in the cabin.

Also, I think it should be hammered into a pilot at this level by now that the first course of action in ANY emergency is to FLY THE PLANE.

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Old 10-21-2009, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne View Post
Ok so you have a cockpit medical emergency. You are flying an airplane that has three autopilots and is capable of CATIIb landing in 300 RVR. That is one capable second pilot if the cockpit is down to one human in the seat. Also, if you hook that bad boy up, he won't likely land on a taxiway. Heck it won't even let you turn off the runway until you disconnect it!

Not sure if DL trains a simulation of an incapacitated pilot but I know we do. The goal of the exercise is to see the remaining pilot use the A/P and land the airplane safely on a RUNWAY.

Now it seems that ACL and others are saying the pilots were too busy with the medical emergency somewhere on the plane to land the airplane between the white lights vs the blue. My question now is were all of the pilots in the cockpit during the medical event? If not, why? The leaving the cockpit undermanned and perhaps a pilot in the cabin could be considered a security risk. Hope the next plot by the bad guys is to feign sickness in the cabin.

Also, I think it should be hammered into a pilot at this level by now that the first course of action in ANY emergency is to FLY THE PLANE.

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What I am saying is there is a lot to this incident. The facts need to come out as a result of the investigation. There was a medical emergency, and it was progressive in nature. That is all that should be said at this time.

I will not comment further on the details, because there are so many factors in this case. Lets be professionals and let the professional investigators do their job.

The takeaway for us, the line pilots, should be that there was at least one error that occurred, and by the grace of God, there were no consequences that caused a loss of life. Period end of statement. Aviation was lucky early Monday AM.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne View Post
Now it seems that ACL and others are saying the pilots were too busy with the medical emergency somewhere on the plane to land the airplane between the white lights vs the blue. My question now is were all of the pilots in the cockpit during the medical event? If not, why? The leaving the cockpit undermanned and perhaps a pilot in the cabin could be considered a security risk. Hope the next plot by the bad guys is to feign sickness in the cabin.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AirWillie View Post
I think landing on a taxiway is about the same as landing on Broadway. Am I crazy? A senate hearing should be heard.
Give it time. That's next week.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:56 AM
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Appears to be a dumb mistake made under pressure. Pilot's are suppose to handle pressure.

Will Delta fire the pilots?
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