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acl65pilot 10-21-2009 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by AirbusA320 (Post 697836)
Appears to be a dumb mistake made under pressure. Pilot's are suppose to handle pressure.

Will Delta fire the pilots?

DAL has ASAP, and many other procedures in place for this. Let the details come out.

EVpilot 10-21-2009 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 697708)
The intel is not what one would expect. For all of the naysayers, and particularly the RJ guys, take a step back. You'll be amazed at what actually happened.

Why all the RJ v Legacy crap? You guys jump on us. Our guys jump on you now in response. We all make mistakes. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, or something like that.

As for the taxiway landing my question would be, was it intentional and if so was the tower notified. That makes a difference. They may have done it intentionally.

JoeMerchant 10-21-2009 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by EVpilot (Post 697848)
Why all the RJ v Legacy crap? You guys jump on us. Our guys jump on you now in response. We all make mistakes. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, or something like that.

It's OK for mainline pilots to second guess a regional pilot and Monday morning quarterback....Not OK for regional pilots to do the same to the "best of the best"......This is a well established double standard in aviation....

tsquare 10-21-2009 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by On Autopilot (Post 697421)
You are all FOOLS. They landed on that taxiway to get to the gate faster. See? Simple explanation.
And you call yourselves pilots. Sheeesh!!! ;

FAIL. The gate would have been occupied. :D Oh wait.. this was in ATL not JFK.. my bad.

tsquare 10-21-2009 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by AirbusA320 (Post 697836)
Appears to be a dumb mistake made under pressure. Pilot's are suppose to handle pressure.

Will Delta fire the pilots?

Hopefully not. I can see some training, but to fire them? Seems a little harsh to me.

Lambourne 10-21-2009 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 697826)
What I am saying is there is a lot to this incident. The facts need to come out as a result of the investigation. There was a medical emergency, and it was progressive in nature. That is all that should be said at this time.

Progressive? By who's diagnosis? The pilots have the responsibility to get the airplane on the ground safely. It doesn't matter if there was an outbreak of H1N1 and everyone was spouting snouts and pig ears in the cabin. Our job is not PANIC and do something to endanger the airplane the pax.

SoCalGuy 10-21-2009 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by AirbusA320 (Post 697836)
Appears to be a dumb mistake made under pressure. Pilot's are suppose to handle pressure.

Will Delta fire the pilots?

3 years ago, if you look at a similar incident with a CAL B757/300 landing on taxiway Z in EWR (when cleared to land on 29), both CA & FO aboard that flt kept their jobs & were back flying less than 6 months later.....just saw the CA 2 weeks ago.

If history repeats itself with status quo set with a similar occurrence mentioned above, I would guess it very likely that the DAL crew would keep their jobs after union wrangling & training events. Just my cent and a half.

Like ACL & others have said, let the facts of incident play out.

Sink r8 10-21-2009 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 697851)
It's OK for mainline pilots to second guess a regional pilot and Monday morning quarterback....Not OK for regional pilots to do the same to the "best of the best"......This is a well established double standard in aviation....

For once, I can agree with Joe: there should be no double-standard. Regionals and Majors need to be judged by the same criteria.

Let me repeat that: Regionals and Majors need to be judged by the same criteria. In all respects. The best way to do this is to have them be one and the same, and stop subsidizing a JV team. When pilots are ready for airlines, they need to be very carefully scrutinized, and placed on probation for an entry position at a major airline, with throrough HR departments, thorough Flight Ops vetting, and thorough training and evaluation, not at some alter-ego entity that has none of the above.

Then, they can evolve into a company that does the same across all employee groups, and fields the safest product, and best service available.

Our customers diserve no less.

...

Sorry to interrupt the debate. Maybe someone can update us on the facts. We still know essentially ...nothing, right?

acl65pilot 10-21-2009 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 697869)
Progressive? By who's diagnosis? The pilots have the responsibility to get the airplane on the ground safely. It doesn't matter if there was an outbreak of H1N1 and everyone was spouting snouts and pig ears in the cabin. Our job is not PANIC and do something to endanger the airplane the pax.

They got it on the ground!

Let the fact and the company and FAA actions come out for God's sake. It will be real clear what happened when it does.

TheProfessionalPilot 10-21-2009 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 697394)
The problem with your point is that it's focusing on a SINGLE EVENT! The senate hearings are a result of MULTIPLE REGIONAL accidents over the past several years. Those have resulted in fatalities, unlike the Mainline incidents.

Your argument also holds no water because the OVERALL experience at the Mainline level FAR exceeds the Regional level. Mistakes happen at all levels, & no Mainline pilot disagrees with it. However, statistics prove that the severity of mistakes at Regionals in the past 10-15 years have been greater than at the Mainline level. Why? Less experience at the Regional level.

I like how you Capitalize Mainline Everytime You Write it. It's mainline. And we are regional.

There is obviously arrogance in this forum. No one is perfect and we should all recognize this. My father was AA, and here we go I'll rag on them: landing at a military base, taking back off without takeoff clearance, and then landing at the correct airport without asking for landing clearance again. No one is blocked from a mistake.

What am I trying to say? Stay professional and constantly do a self check that reminds you that the MORE experience you get, the MORE COMPLACENT you get. Be diligent and don't forget we are all capable of complacency.

I AM NOT saying that this crew did anything wrong. Obviously we don't know enough to make that statement, and even THEN it would be wrong to say "what were they thinking?!". What was Comair thinking at Lexington, Pinnacle at 41,000 feet and "it's so cool duuude", so on and so forth. We work among unprofessional pilots and unfortunate pilots alike.


Originally Posted by Silver2Gold (Post 697453)
Perhaps it's because I'm med down with some virus and restricted to my quarters that I'm taking the time to address (or stoop low enough to address) some of the regional driver comments:

Certainly, part of the 1500 hour and ATP requirement is about providing a greater chance for maturity. Notice I said that it provides a greater chance that the pilot will be mature, but does not guarantee it. Maturity, that is, as an aviator. One example, is the maturity to understand that you don't comment about the details of an accident/incident until the details are known. And, even then, you address the errors in airmanship vice attacking the person/people involved.

I can't speak for all of us - but by and large, most of the RJ driver comments on this matter have only re-enforced my belief in the need for more years in the cockpit before flying around my friends and family.

Silver2Gold - I would like to shake your hand for making an epic avatar. You just made my day! Doesn't get any more bad*** than that! :cool:


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