Way to go Delta (Taxiway Landing)
10-21-2009, 10:27 AM
#191
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Originally Posted by johnso29
My overall point was that the experience level at Legacy's is higher then that at Regionals. I find it difficult to even argue the fact, especially with the thousands of pilots hired at Regionals over the past 6 years, many of those pilots with less then ATP minimums.
I never intended to imply that Legacy pilots are better, or that they don't make mistakes. Many people missed my point, and assumed I was taking some holier than thou attitude. That is waaaaay off base. As usual, people have turned this into pilots against pilots, rather then supporting each other. It's no wonder this industry has gone down the toilet.
I never intended to imply that Legacy pilots are better, or that they don't make mistakes. Many people missed my point, and assumed I was taking some holier than thou attitude. That is waaaaay off base. As usual, people have turned this into pilots against pilots, rather then supporting each other. It's no wonder this industry has gone down the toilet.
10-21-2009, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Line grunt living out of a suit case eating fast food like you.
10-21-2009, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Not for long.
I will still be a line grunt, but now I will have a phone and a nifty e-mail address. (That is if things turn out that way of course)
10-21-2009, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
We will see about that.
I will still be a line grunt, but now I will have a phone and a nifty e-mail address. (That is if things turn out that way of course)
I will still be a line grunt, but now I will have a phone and a nifty e-mail address. (That is if things turn out that way of course)
10-21-2009, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
That's what I'm hoping for.
10-21-2009, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
My overall point was that the experience level at Legacy's is higher then that at Regionals. I find it difficult to even argue the fact, especially with the thousands of pilots hired at Regionals over the past 6 years, many of those pilots with less then ATP minimums.
I never intended to imply that Legacy pilots are better, or that they don't make mistakes.
I never intended to imply that Legacy pilots are better, or that they don't make mistakes.
Originally Posted by johnso29
However, statistics prove that the severity of mistakes at Regionals in the past 10-15 years have been greater than at the Mainline level. Why? Less experience at the Regional level.
Again what about this statement here? Where's your data to back this up? I posted the numbers straight from the NTSB website, where's your source?
Originally Posted by johnso29
A source? Go back and look at the last 10 fatal 121 accidents and tell me who's involved. I'm pretty sure that Regionals will be in more of the fatal accidents. And how does more experience equal more complacency? The fact is that there is more experience on the Mainline level then the Regional level. There is NO denying that.
As I said earlier we're all in this together, but there's no reason to believe in the misguided misconceptions that one group of aviators is better than the other, we're all the same, and the data proves that we're all subject to mistakes, subject to non-compliance, and subject to complacency.
10-21-2009, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
They got it on the ground!
Let the fact and the company and FAA actions come out for God's sake. It will be real clear what happened when it does.
Let the fact and the company and FAA actions come out for God's sake. It will be real clear what happened when it does.
Again, if there was a single pilot in the cockpit he/she had an excellent resource with triple channel fail passive A/P capable of landing the airplane on the runway vs the taxiway.
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10-21-2009, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by skysdlimit
Please don't discuss security procedures on a public forum.
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10-21-2009, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne
That is hardly a stunning endorsement for landing on a taxiway. It seems you are not willing to accept how dangerous this "getting it on the ground" thing is. They landed a on a TAXIWAY. This was fortunately not a hull loss but could have easily been a huge catastrophe. Would you be saying "They got in on the ground" had they impacted something that resulted in loss of lives?
Again, if there was a single pilot in the cockpit he/she had an excellent resource with triple channel fail passive A/P capable of landing the airplane on the runway vs the taxiway.
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Again, if there was a single pilot in the cockpit he/she had an excellent resource with triple channel fail passive A/P capable of landing the airplane on the runway vs the taxiway.
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Me: Not going to comment on what their actions were or why until the investigation is done. Lots will result from this little mishap. Trust me.
10-21-2009, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
And aren't you omitting the Mesa/AirMidwest 1900 in CLT in your count?
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
if you saw the pictures of how they landed it, you would be impressed. They were less than a foot off the center of the taxi line
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