Way to go Delta (Taxiway Landing)
10-21-2009, 03:36 PM
#221
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Joe, what you are doing is just fine by me. If the outcome was different than it was for DAL060 you could compare it to the Colgan crash. Two totally different things.
How do you figure they are "totally different"?
10-21-2009, 03:37 PM
#222
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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever
I hope you dont take this the wrong way, but it is starting to appear that you are getting a thrill always posting little tidbits, just to drum up attention. Do you really have some insider knowledge or are you kinda getting a thrill leading the masses to a trail of breadcrumbs, when all you really know is rumor and conjecture that you have heard on the line....I really am curious..????
He actually does have insider knowledge.
10-21-2009, 03:37 PM
#223
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Soooo... 2 guys in the cockpit...no ILS on day with no adverse weather... The sick check airman is irrelevant. According to what ACL posted it looks like the guy just messed up... It is a mistake... move on people
10-21-2009, 03:38 PM
#224
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
So if I'm reading this right; one crew was lucky, the other unlucky.
If one of the crews ended up unlucky, what would be your stance?
Said it before, say it again. A highly experienced, highly trained crew can bend metal just as good as one that isn't. It's been proven over, and over, and over.
If one of the crews ended up unlucky, what would be your stance?
Said it before, say it again. A highly experienced, highly trained crew can bend metal just as good as one that isn't. It's been proven over, and over, and over.
The difference simply put was that one flew small airplanes, and the other flew big airplanes.....
10-21-2009, 03:52 PM
#225
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
The only difference is that nobody was taxing out on M at the time....Had there been, this would have been WORSE....The fact that you think they are different just proves there is a double standard for "majors" and "regionals".
How do you figure they are "totally different"?
How do you figure they are "totally different"?
10-21-2009, 03:53 PM
#226
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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever
I hope you dont take this the wrong way, but it is starting to appear that you are getting a thrill always posting little tidbits, just to drum up attention. Do you really have some insider knowledge or are you kinda getting a thrill leading the masses to a trail of breadcrumbs, when all you really know is rumor and conjecture that you have heard on the line....I really am curious..????
10-21-2009, 03:56 PM
#227
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Point: No one got killed, and if you saw the pictures of how they landed it, you would be impressed. They were less than a foot off the center of the taxi line
Me: Not going to comment on what their actions were or why until the investigation is done. Lots will result from this little mishap. Trust me.
Me: Not going to comment on what their actions were or why until the investigation is done. Lots will result from this little mishap. Trust me.
Is it true that they didn't kill 200-300 people? Yes.
Should they be praised b/c they didn't? No.
If this had happened at Mesa, I would have been fired before the close of business that afternoon, and ALPA would be fighting an uphill battle to get my job back. One that would likely fail.
Admit they screwed up, but don't promote them as heroes or skilled aviators for missing the centerline of a taxiway by a foot. That doesn't impress me.
That's not a job well done, that's reckless endangerment. Hope Delta/ALPA and these pilots have good lawyers, b/c people will surely sue when they realize they were put in harms way.
10-21-2009, 04:00 PM
#228
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Joe, I am not going to debate this with you. It serves no purpose.
You are getting very defensive about this incident, and I can't believe you are using their proximity to the taxiway centerline as a defense...You cleary are trying to defend the "best of the best".....
10-21-2009, 04:17 PM
#229
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
Really? You are one of the few on these boards that posts coherant thoughts but you're out of line here. Look at what you're defending. They deviated from their clearance and could have killed a lot of people.
Is it true that they didn't kill 200-300 people? Yes.
Should they be praised b/c they didn't? No.
If this had happened at Mesa, I would have been fired before the close of business that afternoon, and ALPA would be fighting an uphill battle to get my job back. One that would likely fail.
Admit they screwed up, but don't promote them as heroes or skilled aviators for missing the centerline of a taxiway by a foot. That doesn't impress me.
That's not a job well done, that's reckless endangerment. Hope Delta/ALPA and these pilots have good lawyers, b/c people will surely sue when they realize they were put in harms way.
Is it true that they didn't kill 200-300 people? Yes.
Should they be praised b/c they didn't? No.
If this had happened at Mesa, I would have been fired before the close of business that afternoon, and ALPA would be fighting an uphill battle to get my job back. One that would likely fail.
Admit they screwed up, but don't promote them as heroes or skilled aviators for missing the centerline of a taxiway by a foot. That doesn't impress me.
That's not a job well done, that's reckless endangerment. Hope Delta/ALPA and these pilots have good lawyers, b/c people will surely sue when they realize they were put in harms way.
10-21-2009, 04:23 PM
#230
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
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A check airman was on the flight deck along with the captain
and first officer. During cruise flight, the check airman
became ill and was relocated to the cabin for the remainder
of the flight. A medical emergency was declared and the
company was notified by the crew. A determination was made
to land at the scheduled destination of ATL.
The flight was cleared to land on runway 27R but instead
landed on taxiway M, which is situated immediately to the
north and parallel to runway 27R. The runway lights for 27R
were illuminated; the localizer and approach lights for 27R
were not turned on.
Night/dark conditions prevailed;
A check airman was on the flight deck along with the captain
and first officer. During cruise flight, the check airman
became ill and was relocated to the cabin for the remainder
of the flight. A medical emergency was declared and the
company was notified by the crew. A determination was made
to land at the scheduled destination of ATL.
The flight was cleared to land on runway 27R but instead
landed on taxiway M, which is situated immediately to the
north and parallel to runway 27R. The runway lights for 27R
were illuminated; the localizer and approach lights for 27R
were not turned on.
Night/dark conditions prevailed;
It was dark and the runway lights were illuminated. Runway lights= White, Taxiway lights = Blue.
ACL, I generally view your post with a sense that you are fair and proud of your carrier. There is no reason you shouldn't be proud of who you work for. In fact it is a trait I wish my own group had more of. However, your defense of this event has tarnished that view. Look at the above. There is no reason the crew should have landed on a taxiway based on the lighting alone. You have two pilots in the flying seats that allow themselves to be distracted to the point of landing on a taxiway?
Saying they landed on the centerline of the taxiway as a point of kudos, is like the old, "you don't sweat much for a fat girl" comment. It was a f-up. Every airline has one every so often. These guys were lucky to walk away from this one. I think the biggest beef people have here, is there is little acknowledgment of how serious this really was from you and the rest of the DL crowd.
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