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Old 06-20-2006, 08:40 AM
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Pilots Warned About Ill. Runway Conditions

By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer

Tuesday, June 20, 2006
(06-20) 08:34 PDT WASHINGTON (AP)

Air traffic controllers warned two Southwest Airlines pilots that runway braking conditions were only fair to poor moments before their jet skidded off the runway at Chicago's Midway airport and killed a 6-year-old boy, according to a transcript of the cockpit voice recording released Tuesday.

The National Transportation Safety Board is looking into procedures for landing at short or slippery runways as a result of the Dec. 8 accident, in which the jet landing in snowy conditions crashed through a fence into the street, where it killed Joshua Woods of Leroy, Ind., who was riding in a car.

"Braking action fair to poor," the air traffic controller warned the aircraft.

After the warning, the Southwest jet touched down and co-pilot Steven Oliver asked captain Bruce Sutherland if he was jumping on the brakes, according to the transcript, released at the NTSB hearing.

"Son of a (expletive)," Sutherland said.

"Jump on the brakes, are ya?" Oliver said.

Pilots then struggled to slow the airplane, then told each other to "hang on" just seconds before the airplane crashed through a fence.

During the flight, the pilots wrestled with the question of how they would land in bad weather at Midway, even considering other airports, according to the recording.

The Midway runway, like about 300 others at commercial airports in the United States, did not have a 1,000-foot buffer zone at the end for airplanes that overshoot their landings.

And the pilots of the Boeing 737 relied on a flawed landing technique that should be banned, according to the NTSB.

The safety board will try to determine the best procedures for landing on wet runways and investigate what to do about runways that lack buffer zones. Industry, airline and federal and municipal officials were to testify.

Since the accident, the Federal Aviation Administration has proposed stricter standards for landings by passenger jets.

The proposal would require pilots to add 15 percent to the length of runway they think they need to land safely. The agency had found that half of all U.S. airlines don't have procedures for assessing dangerous runway conditions that develop after takeoff.

The FAA has also given a $15 million grant to Midway to build soft concrete beds that can slow airplanes that overshoot runways.

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Old 06-20-2006, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RockBottom
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And the pilots of the Boeing 737 relied on a flawed landing technique that should be banned, according to the NTSB.


What technique would that be? The ol' dip below the glideslope on short final?? Love the way the reporter doesn't tell you what that technique is.
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breaking reports come from pilots, how many pilots actually would report nil? You'd have a lot of POed pilots, airlines, and pax behind you. No body seems to want to ruffle any feathers these days, even in the name of safety.
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I have reported nil on occasions when it is nil. I don't really care if it impacts the beancounters operations. At my airline, we care about safety and conduct ourselves accordingly.
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I wish more people would.
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:04 PM
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Killed in car accidents 42,116*
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While there are risks in using all forms of transportation, commercial airline travel is one of the safest. From January 1982 to March 2001, a period of 19.25 years, there were a total of 8,109,000,000 passenger enplanements. During that same time period, there were 2,301 fatalities (120 people killed on average each year), and 348 serious injuries. This amounts to a 0.00003% chance of being seriously injured or killed in a commercial aviation accident. This is far less than any other mode of transportation.
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Great post skyhawg, I just wish someone would convince the crappy reporters to post that info for the general public. The sad part of this story is that the reporter is creating a fear that all planes are going to skid off of runaways and kill people.
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The Metar at the time was also calling the winds 180/5......yeah right. Having flown in and out of MDW for 5+ years, it was probably more like 180/15 and they never want you to land 13C. A friend of mine was flying that night right before the accident. He said they requested 13C and were denied.
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Okay. . . so a post to a press release. . .pfft

Here is the PDF with the CVR.

http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2006/Chic...its/349732.pdf
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Originally Posted by jdsavage
breaking reports come from pilots, how many pilots actually would report nil? You'd have a lot of POed pilots, airlines, and pax behind you. No body seems to want to ruffle any feathers these days, even in the name of safety.
Are you telling us that you wouldn't report nil if you encountered it because someone might be ****ed. That's the dumbest thing I've heard because that's how accidents get started.

I'm assuming you've never seen nil...
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