AirTran Pilots: Outsourcing Bad for Business
01-01-2010, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HermannGraf
Is it not true
? Not it is not. Not in general.
Yes, some regionals hired people with 500 hours and less but not all. Those who did where the ones that could not attract more qualified pilots.
Other than Eagle It was mostly small Regionals and the amount of people that got on with 500 or less are few.
Some Regionals kept a 1000/100 hour limmit all the time and did not have problems attracting qualified pilots with way more than their requirement.
That is not much lower than the Delta time requirement that is 1200 hours I believe. I know a couple of guys that got employed at NorthWest with 700 hours. No, they are not one of the guys in the news...... those guys had 10 to 20 thousend hours............they are what you call experienced pilots.
Regional pilots have very little experience comparing to what? There are many pilots at the Regionals that joined with some experience. I know many that joined with 1500 to 7000 hours.
Maybe you mean comparing to the experience that mainline guys show like overflying by 150 miles or landing on an active taxi way. If you mean comparing to that then I have to admit that I have not seen that level of experience at the Regionals yet.
I mean..... you are the one saying that in general mainland Pilots are so experienced and so much more than all the inexperienced Regional pilots that just joined the Regionals to gain experinence. I guess experience and good judgement are two different things.
Remmember that Regionals do not do less departures per day than mainland anymore. Some Regionals do 1200 to 1800 departures per day.
We fly in the same enviroment under the same rules and we do a hell of a job most of the time exactly like you guys do.......
Some pilots at the Regionals may for example be furloughs from Mainline, pilots that do not have a 4 years degree, pilots that do not want to sit right seat for 15 to 20 years and pilots that for many other factors had to join a Regional instead mainline but have a lot of experience.
To say that a Regional pilot has less experience just because some Regionals took a few pilots with 500 hours or less is just plain wrong.
Also all those 500 or less hour pilots are today furloughs (having much more than 500 hours) or they have now close to 2000 hours in their seat. There are no 500 to 1000 hour pilots at the Regionals anymore and there will probably never be again. When will you guys at mainland accept that?
To say that there are pilots making 20K a year is also wrong. I do not believe there are any more first or second year Regional pilots out there.
Most of the pilots I fly with at my Regional have 4000 to 18000 hours.
Many (not all) of the super pilots at mainline got into their jobs with very low amount of hours,.......... heck there was a time when mainline took people right after flight school. If you have been in the business long enough you probably remmember that.
? Not it is not. Not in general. Yes, some regionals hired people with 500 hours and less but not all. Those who did where the ones that could not attract more qualified pilots.
Other than Eagle It was mostly small Regionals and the amount of people that got on with 500 or less are few.
Some Regionals kept a 1000/100 hour limmit all the time and did not have problems attracting qualified pilots with way more than their requirement.
That is not much lower than the Delta time requirement that is 1200 hours I believe. I know a couple of guys that got employed at NorthWest with 700 hours. No, they are not one of the guys in the news...... those guys had 10 to 20 thousend hours............they are what you call experienced pilots.
Regional pilots have very little experience comparing to what? There are many pilots at the Regionals that joined with some experience. I know many that joined with 1500 to 7000 hours.
Maybe you mean comparing to the experience that mainline guys show like overflying by 150 miles or landing on an active taxi way. If you mean comparing to that then I have to admit that I have not seen that level of experience at the Regionals yet.
I mean..... you are the one saying that in general mainland Pilots are so experienced and so much more than all the inexperienced Regional pilots that just joined the Regionals to gain experinence. I guess experience and good judgement are two different things.
Remmember that Regionals do not do less departures per day than mainland anymore. Some Regionals do 1200 to 1800 departures per day.
We fly in the same enviroment under the same rules and we do a hell of a job most of the time exactly like you guys do.......
Some pilots at the Regionals may for example be furloughs from Mainline, pilots that do not have a 4 years degree, pilots that do not want to sit right seat for 15 to 20 years and pilots that for many other factors had to join a Regional instead mainline but have a lot of experience.
To say that a Regional pilot has less experience just because some Regionals took a few pilots with 500 hours or less is just plain wrong.
Also all those 500 or less hour pilots are today furloughs (having much more than 500 hours) or they have now close to 2000 hours in their seat. There are no 500 to 1000 hour pilots at the Regionals anymore and there will probably never be again. When will you guys at mainland accept that?
To say that there are pilots making 20K a year is also wrong. I do not believe there are any more first or second year Regional pilots out there.
Most of the pilots I fly with at my Regional have 4000 to 18000 hours.
Many (not all) of the super pilots at mainline got into their jobs with very low amount of hours,.......... heck there was a time when mainline took people right after flight school. If you have been in the business long enough you probably remmember that.
You speak of the exception, not the rule. Yes all pilots make mistakes. If you think the experience level at the regionals matches up to those at the majors you are smoking crack. Most don't even get considered at the major level with less than 5000 hrs.. If you think that with 1000 hours in the smash and go pattern your skill compare with that of a 5 or 10 thousand hr pilot you are once again smoking crack. You point to one or two incidents at a major. How many fatal crashes in the last few years have been majors. Dude, the crash in BUF had a FO making in the 20K range. I was not taking a shot at regional pilots. I was simply stating that in general they have less experience than mainline folks. The regionals have always been a stepping stone and I don't see that changing. If you like you RJ job by all means keep it. You might get close to 6 figures one day.
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