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HK vs. S2
Dear friends, please I need some help. I'm going to Brazil tonight. (This is the plan)
My priority is S2 (pilot's wife ;) ) This is the situation Business: 5/5(39) Coach -17/2(206) HK's: 13! Question: Can the HK's take the seats left in business????:confused: Thankfully, :) JD |
Originally Posted by JeaneDuffy
(Post 942494)
Dear friends, please I need some help. I'm going to Brazil tonight. (This is the plan)
My priority is S2 (pilot's wife ;) ) This is the situation Business: 5/5(39) Coach -17/2(206) HK's: 13! Question: Can the HK's take the seats left in business????:confused: Thankfully, :) JD |
Originally Posted by freightguy
(Post 942509)
In my experience, sometimes they do upgrade elite status holders to make room for HKs in coach. With the bad weather around the system, you can gamble on a bunch of passengers not even making it to ATL thereby helping your situation. But with -17 in coach, you'll be lucky to make it out tonight. Keep an eye on the airport standby list via the internet. Good luck.
My experience with South America is that 1. you cant make your decision based on what is on travelnet. 2. There are usually plenty of no-shows. 3. you will probably get on given the numbers you showed. The problem is not flying down, it is getting back home. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 942530)
The problem is not flying down, it is getting back home.
The TravelNet numbers are meaningless for the northbound legs out of South America. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 942530)
My experience with South America is that 1. you cant make your decision based on what is on travelnet. 2. There are usually plenty of no-shows. 3. you will probably get on given the numbers you showed.
The problem is not flying down, it is getting back home. There was 11 seats available in business and a bunch oversold in coach. (also 10 HKs). - I was N.1 - I decided not to go to the airport....In my mind the HKs would get all the available seats. (In business) Result: (Past SKD) All of a sudden appeared from nowhere 13 seats in coach!!! ...Everybody got a seat...:eek: - None HKs in first class though, just S2,S3 and S4. Business: 5/5(39) Coach: -19/0(206) Hks: 13 HKI: 1 UPS2A:1 UPS2B:1 I never understand that! The airport standby list shows: 5 seats available in Business and 5 seats available in Coach... To be honest with you, I never had a problem flying back home (ATL). I always travel to Brazil once a month. ♫♫♫Should I stay or should I go ♫♫♫ Thank you guys! ;) |
I've lamented this scope charity for a while. Maybe we can include in our opener as a throw-away item that Delta Employee Scope mandating everything we must fly must also be attended/maintained/boarded/loaded/boarded/etc by DL employees. The company will, of course, say no way. So we trash that item and then go to the other work groups to tell them that management refuses to give them the same job protections that they "give" the evil greedy overpaid pilots and that clearly shows management's intent to reserve the right to outsource the jobs of their respective memberships. Then we proceed to educate the masses on management's clear and trecherous intents and flat out pro-pilot prejudices against them, all the while saying "hey, we tried to protect your jobs, but management flat out refused and doesn't think y'all have the guts to do it yourselves." Then we can offer to "form an alliance" with them on this issue, which would really just be us educating them on getting their own aggressively controlling contractual scope clauses. Complete with spreadsheets showing how many junior positions each group has lost to DCI/AS/SkyTeam, etc as appropriate. Might be somewhat effective at at least awakening some and at least forces the issue front and center in an in your face manner and doesn't cost us a penny.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 942722)
I've lamented this scope charity for a while. Maybe we can include in our opener as a throw-away item that Delta Employee Scope mandating everything we must fly must also be attended/maintained/boarded/loaded/boarded/etc by DL employees. The company will, of course, say no way. So we trash that item and then go to the other work groups to tell them that management refuses to give them the same job protections that they "give" the evil greedy overpaid pilots and that clearly shows management's intent to reserve the right to outsource the jobs of their respective memberships. Then we proceed to educate the masses on management's clear and trecherous intents and flat out pro-pilot prejudices against them, all the while saying "hey, we tried to protect your jobs, but management flat out refused and doesn't think y'all have the guts to do it yourselves." Then we can offer to "form an alliance" with them on this issue, which would really just be us educating them on getting their own aggressively controlling contractual scope clauses. Complete with spreadsheets showing how many junior positions each group has lost to DCI/AS/SkyTeam, etc as appropriate. Might be somewhat effective at at least awakening some and at least forces the issue front and center in an in your face manner and doesn't cost us a penny.
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Originally Posted by yamahas3
(Post 721623)
Was talking with a United FA friend of mine the other day and she made a comment that blew my mind. "Things are really bad here, I wish you pilots wouldn't have allowed so many RJs!"
At first I agreed then it hit me... I have no knowledge of flight attendant (or other groups: dispatch and maintenance primarily) scope for those in the industry who are unionized. We as pilots make great sacrifices, expend enormous amounts of negotiating capital, and live and die by scope. Are these other employee groups riding on our hard fought for scope? Do they even have meaningful scope sections in their contracts? If thats the case, I think its time they start paying for their share of the pie here... why should we negotiate for their job security out of our paychecks and QOL? I'm not sure how it should be done but I'd love to see some kind of "scope licensing fee" or even having a binding agreement between unions where we split it or something... for example, we negotiate a weight limit, they negotiate seat limit. "Me too" clause was common. Now we have this mind set that is in control. Sad. Look at what a merger does to a pilot group. |
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