Crew Pass Questions for Union Guys
12-30-2009, 12:41 PM
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Crew Pass Questions for Union Guys
Hey all,
Ok, I've calmed down a bit.
We've had a process in place at 3 airports for over 2 years without incident. Why does increased technology, especially one that has a ridiculous price tag attached, have to enter in this equation at all?
A working system is currently in place. I'm starting to believe that the TSA and the airlines are just leaving the employees out to dry with no intent to implement anything.
My question to the union guys is:
1. What can we, as grunts, do about it?
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CrewPASS Update
The incident on NWA Flight 253, and the new screening requirements that have been enacted as a result, reemphasize the need for nationwide implementation of CrewPASS.
ALPA remains convinced that rapid, widespread implementation of CrewPASS will allow valuable limited security resources to be sharply focused on the areas of greatest threat. ALPA is leading an effort with several airlines and the government to make CrewPASS a reality.
An IT firm has marketed the ALPA CrewPASS system to all major air carriers and many regional airlines in the United States. However, no airline has opted to purchase this service to date, primarily because of its high cost as proposed.
In response to this stalemate, in October 2009, Capt. Prater directed ALPA’s National Security Committee to research the possibility of developing an alternate means of implementing this system. Accordingly, the NSC has conducted discussions with several MECs and their company representatives regarding the possibility of the airlines developing an interoperable CrewPASS system, rather than purchasing the service from an IT contractor.
Initial industry response to that proposed solution has been very positive; at ALPA’s invitation, several airlines plan to meet in Herndon in January 2010 to form a CrewPASS consortium that will develop system technical and operating standards. TSA has been briefed on this ALPA-led initiative, and the agency has promised to participate and assist the effort with technical and policy guidance. ALPA is optimistic that this undertaking will result in widespread CrewPASS implementation at a more affordable price.
Ok, I've calmed down a bit.
We've had a process in place at 3 airports for over 2 years without incident. Why does increased technology, especially one that has a ridiculous price tag attached, have to enter in this equation at all?
A working system is currently in place. I'm starting to believe that the TSA and the airlines are just leaving the employees out to dry with no intent to implement anything.
My question to the union guys is:
1. What can we, as grunts, do about it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CrewPASS Update
The incident on NWA Flight 253, and the new screening requirements that have been enacted as a result, reemphasize the need for nationwide implementation of CrewPASS.
ALPA remains convinced that rapid, widespread implementation of CrewPASS will allow valuable limited security resources to be sharply focused on the areas of greatest threat. ALPA is leading an effort with several airlines and the government to make CrewPASS a reality.
An IT firm has marketed the ALPA CrewPASS system to all major air carriers and many regional airlines in the United States. However, no airline has opted to purchase this service to date, primarily because of its high cost as proposed.
In response to this stalemate, in October 2009, Capt. Prater directed ALPA’s National Security Committee to research the possibility of developing an alternate means of implementing this system. Accordingly, the NSC has conducted discussions with several MECs and their company representatives regarding the possibility of the airlines developing an interoperable CrewPASS system, rather than purchasing the service from an IT contractor.
Initial industry response to that proposed solution has been very positive; at ALPA’s invitation, several airlines plan to meet in Herndon in January 2010 to form a CrewPASS consortium that will develop system technical and operating standards. TSA has been briefed on this ALPA-led initiative, and the agency has promised to participate and assist the effort with technical and policy guidance. ALPA is optimistic that this undertaking will result in widespread CrewPASS implementation at a more affordable price.
Last edited by DeltaPaySoon; 12-30-2009 at 10:26 PM.
12-31-2009, 06:24 AM
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I read that it is a success, but our government of course is making it more difficult. Apparently the TSA is wanting something to better identify us, they want to implement biometrics into the equation. I guess a Passport, crew badge, and computer with our ID on it is not sufficient. But if I was a known al queda member I prolly wouldn't have a problem.....
01-01-2010, 12:31 PM
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When you guys and gals..........
Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon
Hey all,
Ok, I've calmed down a bit.
We've had a process in place at 3 airports for over 2 years without incident. Why does increased technology, especially one that has a ridiculous price tag attached, have to enter in this equation at all?
A working system is currently in place. I'm starting to believe that the TSA and the airlines are just leaving the employees out to dry with no intent to implement anything.
My question to the union guys is:
1. What can we, as grunts, do about it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CrewPASS Update
The incident on NWA Flight 253, and the new screening requirements that have been enacted as a result, reemphasize the need for nationwide implementation of CrewPASS.
ALPA remains convinced that rapid, widespread implementation of CrewPASS will allow valuable limited security resources to be sharply focused on the areas of greatest threat. ALPA is leading an effort with several airlines and the government to make CrewPASS a reality.
An IT firm has marketed the ALPA CrewPASS system to all major air carriers and many regional airlines in the United States. However, no airline has opted to purchase this service to date, primarily because of its high cost as proposed.
In response to this stalemate, in October 2009, Capt. Prater directed ALPA’s National Security Committee to research the possibility of developing an alternate means of implementing this system. Accordingly, the NSC has conducted discussions with several MECs and their company representatives regarding the possibility of the airlines developing an interoperable CrewPASS system, rather than purchasing the service from an IT contractor.
Initial industry response to that proposed solution has been very positive; at ALPA’s invitation, several airlines plan to meet in Herndon in January 2010 to form a CrewPASS consortium that will develop system technical and operating standards. TSA has been briefed on this ALPA-led initiative, and the agency has promised to participate and assist the effort with technical and policy guidance. ALPA is optimistic that this undertaking will result in widespread CrewPASS implementation at a more affordable price.
Ok, I've calmed down a bit.
We've had a process in place at 3 airports for over 2 years without incident. Why does increased technology, especially one that has a ridiculous price tag attached, have to enter in this equation at all?
A working system is currently in place. I'm starting to believe that the TSA and the airlines are just leaving the employees out to dry with no intent to implement anything.
My question to the union guys is:
1. What can we, as grunts, do about it?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CrewPASS Update
The incident on NWA Flight 253, and the new screening requirements that have been enacted as a result, reemphasize the need for nationwide implementation of CrewPASS.
ALPA remains convinced that rapid, widespread implementation of CrewPASS will allow valuable limited security resources to be sharply focused on the areas of greatest threat. ALPA is leading an effort with several airlines and the government to make CrewPASS a reality.
An IT firm has marketed the ALPA CrewPASS system to all major air carriers and many regional airlines in the United States. However, no airline has opted to purchase this service to date, primarily because of its high cost as proposed.
In response to this stalemate, in October 2009, Capt. Prater directed ALPA’s National Security Committee to research the possibility of developing an alternate means of implementing this system. Accordingly, the NSC has conducted discussions with several MECs and their company representatives regarding the possibility of the airlines developing an interoperable CrewPASS system, rather than purchasing the service from an IT contractor.
Initial industry response to that proposed solution has been very positive; at ALPA’s invitation, several airlines plan to meet in Herndon in January 2010 to form a CrewPASS consortium that will develop system technical and operating standards. TSA has been briefed on this ALPA-led initiative, and the agency has promised to participate and assist the effort with technical and policy guidance. ALPA is optimistic that this undertaking will result in widespread CrewPASS implementation at a more affordable price.
IMO, it would take one day of an SOS to no longer have to deal with the issue.
Now, if you're a domestic pilot, I recommend you go thru the unpaid vacation at Artesia. That will help, but that program too is still hijacked by the idiots at DHS/TSA and needs drastic changes as well.
Nonetheless, it does help with the issue and mind you I would expect an Artesia graduate to also fly armed every sortie they could domestically and not use it as a means to get thru the security BS.
Anyway, best of luck.
Lee
01-01-2010, 01:01 PM
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The problem now is not the program but who will pay for it. No one is willing at this point to put up the money. ALPA has been asked to fund it but its not their job. The airlines don't want to fund it and the TSA and FAA don't want to fund it. There has even been talk about user fees for the pilots and flight attendants.
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