Futile RAH/YX/F9 thread number.......7?
01-26-2010, 07:25 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by MD80
I thought you guys were going to get an independent union .vs. just changing locals at the Teamsters.
The problem with your union seems to be in the Republic EXCO. They sold out to Rev. BB, you replaced one guy in a corrupt leadership team and you guys talk about a great change.
I don't think changing the local (747 .vs. 123) number will change anything.
What don't I understand?
The problem with your union seems to be in the Republic EXCO. They sold out to Rev. BB, you replaced one guy in a corrupt leadership team and you guys talk about a great change.
I don't think changing the local (747 .vs. 123) number will change anything.
What don't I understand?
MD, you need to try and find at least a shred of optimism in this whole ordeal that there is a chance this will all work out. 1/1,000,000 but i'm saying there's a chance.
01-26-2010, 07:35 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by mccube5
1/1,000,000 but i'm saying there's a chance.
01-27-2010, 05:44 AM
#103
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Originally Posted by mccube5
Elections are coming up sometime in the spring. I'm pretty sure that there is strong support for delaying the vote until after integration is complete so that at the very least whatever talented individuals may be coming on board can get involved if they so choose.
MD, you need to try and find at least a shred of optimism in this whole ordeal that there is a chance this will all work out. 1/1,000,000 but i'm saying there's a chance.
MD, you need to try and find at least a shred of optimism in this whole ordeal that there is a chance this will all work out. 1/1,000,000 but i'm saying there's a chance.
The Midwest pilots have a good chance with an arbitrator.
---Before Republic showed up Midwest pilots were looking at getting bought by AirTran or flying E170-E190 with industry leading wages, benefits, work rules, and pension plan.
---Before Republic showed up Frontier pilots were going to fly for SWA.
---Before the Midwest/Frontier deal Republic pilots were looking at a shrinking 50 seat RJ fleet, no growth in the E170, trying to get a interview at SWA, AirTran, ... after building 5000 TT, and Rev BB was getting ready to have his profits squeezed by the majors.
In my opinion, Republic pilots have a good chance of a DOH integration. Good luck.
Last edited by MD80; 01-27-2010 at 05:56 AM.
01-27-2010, 06:02 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by MD80
The Midwest pilots have a good chance with an arbitrator.
---Before Republic showed up Midwest pilots were looking at getting bought by AirTran or flying E170-E190 with industry leading wages, benefits, work rules, and pension plan.
---Before Republic showed up Frontier pilots were going to fly for SWA.
---Before the Midwest/Frontier deal Republic pilots were looking at a shrinking 50 seat RJ fleet, no growth in the E170, trying to get a interview at SWA, AirTran, ... after building 5000 TT, and Rev BB was getting ready to have his profits squeezed by the majors.
In my opinion, Republic pilots have a good chance of a DOH integration. Good luck.
---Before Republic showed up Midwest pilots were looking at getting bought by AirTran or flying E170-E190 with industry leading wages, benefits, work rules, and pension plan.
---Before Republic showed up Frontier pilots were going to fly for SWA.
---Before the Midwest/Frontier deal Republic pilots were looking at a shrinking 50 seat RJ fleet, no growth in the E170, trying to get a interview at SWA, AirTran, ... after building 5000 TT, and Rev BB was getting ready to have his profits squeezed by the majors.
In my opinion, Republic pilots have a good chance of a DOH integration. Good luck.
01-27-2010, 07:08 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by MD80
The Midwest pilots have a good chance with an arbitrator.
---Before Republic showed up Midwest pilots were looking at getting bought by AirTran or flying E170-E190 with industry leading wages, benefits, work rules, and pension plan.
---Before Republic showed up Frontier pilots were going to fly for SWA.
---Before the Midwest/Frontier deal Republic pilots were looking at a shrinking 50 seat RJ fleet, no growth in the E170, trying to get a interview at SWA, AirTran, ... after building 5000 TT, and Rev BB was getting ready to have his profits squeezed by the majors.
In my opinion, Republic pilots have a good chance of a DOH integration. Good luck.
---Before Republic showed up Midwest pilots were looking at getting bought by AirTran or flying E170-E190 with industry leading wages, benefits, work rules, and pension plan.
---Before Republic showed up Frontier pilots were going to fly for SWA.
---Before the Midwest/Frontier deal Republic pilots were looking at a shrinking 50 seat RJ fleet, no growth in the E170, trying to get a interview at SWA, AirTran, ... after building 5000 TT, and Rev BB was getting ready to have his profits squeezed by the majors.
In my opinion, Republic pilots have a good chance of a DOH integration. Good luck.
Frontier guys weren't going to fly for SWA since SWA didn't put in a bid until after BB & Co. publicly announced their $108mil bid. Negotiations for which had started in May that year long before SWA jumped into the picture. The offerings of their first bid and the fact it had to be sweetened showed they hadn't prepared much for it.
01-27-2010, 07:15 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Um..the arbitrator can't keep F9 on their own list, it's not an option (per the contract) and F9 knows that...that's why they're showing up to the integration meetings. I'll officially take you off the record, if you'd like.
01-27-2010, 07:27 AM
#107
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Originally Posted by Kdog18
G-dog,
For that to happen you will need a membership who are fed up with what is going on with your pilots as a collective (assuming your membership believes the former YX guys are now current RJET guys). My only two data points are two guys I've met in a hotel van & one at another training event (
). Two of the guys I spoke with were ... giddy with excitement. I don't mean that as a flamebait, nor do I use that word rarely if ever
The first guy, who probably spoke a little more candidly (as we were only two pilots talking together at shooting range), was stoked he could one day fly an airbus and retire from his current company. He could not stop smiling, and went on with how great Republic is. Honestly, I don't remember his seat, as we were in civilian attire, and I never asked.
Two guys I met on a crew van but had a similar experience. The only difference was, the CA was "extremely happy," his body language spoke louder than words. The FO was sitting up front did he even turn around for that matter. So out of three guys, two were happy and the third was either having a bad day, or was not happy with what is happening.
Is your membership ready to fight for your "now" pilot brethren?
I don't have a dog in this fight; however, from what I read on various forums and financial websites, I'd be real cautious with BB and his management team. If you guys can conduct a fair SLI and negotiate a CBA that provides a living wage for your senior FOs, it'll help the industry as a whole.
I hope it all works out and real soon, but we see how these things can drag on for years, even after an arbitrator's ruling (USAir).
Actually, I do have a question, will the combined seniority list be represented by one union? I can't see it any other way, but I am not familiar with how Republic, Shuttle, ... are represented, nor clearly how your seniority list works. I think the first guy I spoke with (at the range) mentioned , one seniority list but I could be wrong.
For that to happen you will need a membership who are fed up with what is going on with your pilots as a collective (assuming your membership believes the former YX guys are now current RJET guys). My only two data points are two guys I've met in a hotel van & one at another training event (
). Two of the guys I spoke with were ... giddy with excitement. I don't mean that as a flamebait, nor do I use that word rarely if ever The first guy, who probably spoke a little more candidly (as we were only two pilots talking together at shooting range), was stoked he could one day fly an airbus and retire from his current company. He could not stop smiling, and went on with how great Republic is. Honestly, I don't remember his seat, as we were in civilian attire, and I never asked.
Two guys I met on a crew van but had a similar experience. The only difference was, the CA was "extremely happy," his body language spoke louder than words. The FO was sitting up front did he even turn around for that matter. So out of three guys, two were happy and the third was either having a bad day, or was not happy with what is happening.
Is your membership ready to fight for your "now" pilot brethren?
I don't have a dog in this fight; however, from what I read on various forums and financial websites, I'd be real cautious with BB and his management team. If you guys can conduct a fair SLI and negotiate a CBA that provides a living wage for your senior FOs, it'll help the industry as a whole.
I hope it all works out and real soon, but we see how these things can drag on for years, even after an arbitrator's ruling (USAir).
Actually, I do have a question, will the combined seniority list be represented by one union? I can't see it any other way, but I am not familiar with how Republic, Shuttle, ... are represented, nor clearly how your seniority list works. I think the first guy I spoke with (at the range) mentioned , one seniority list but I could be wrong.
Most RAH pilots are happy with the this whole situation because, as you said, they can potentially retire at their current company in a better seat, airplane and with better pay. I would be happy if I were them too. Hopefully they are also excited to kick the Teamsters to the curb and get an in-house union that fights for the contract we all deserve.
01-27-2010, 12:02 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Before Republic showed up Midwest turned down the deal offered by AirTran then started to decline. Was offered 170 rates and turned them down, which was a good call even though management ran with it.
Frontier guys weren't going to fly for SWA since SWA didn't put in a bid until after BB & Co. publicly announced their $108mil bid. Negotiations for which had started in May that year long before SWA jumped into the picture. The offerings of their first bid and the fact it had to be sweetened showed they hadn't prepared much for it.
Frontier guys weren't going to fly for SWA since SWA didn't put in a bid until after BB & Co. publicly announced their $108mil bid. Negotiations for which had started in May that year long before SWA jumped into the picture. The offerings of their first bid and the fact it had to be sweetened showed they hadn't prepared much for it.
My point is, I think AirTran would buy Midwest for 50 million (1/8 of the original bid) without the TPG/Republic merger. TPG didn't even offer Midwest up for sale because they were already in merger talks with Republic.
Second, without Republic, SWA may have been the only exit financing for Frontier to come out of bankruptcy. Time could have been arranged to make a integration deal between Frontier and SWA.
Last edited by MD80; 01-27-2010 at 01:26 PM.
01-27-2010, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MD80
The Midwest pilots have a good chance with an arbitrator.
---Before Republic showed up Midwest pilots were looking at getting bought by AirTran or flying E170-E190 with industry leading wages, benefits, work rules, and pension plan.
---Before Republic showed up Frontier pilots were going to fly for SWA.
---Before the Midwest/Frontier deal Republic pilots were looking at a shrinking 50 seat RJ fleet, no growth in the E170, trying to get a interview at SWA, AirTran, ... after building 5000 TT, and Rev BB was getting ready to have his profits squeezed by the majors.
In my opinion, Republic pilots have a good chance of a DOH integration. Good luck.
---Before Republic showed up Midwest pilots were looking at getting bought by AirTran or flying E170-E190 with industry leading wages, benefits, work rules, and pension plan.
---Before Republic showed up Frontier pilots were going to fly for SWA.
---Before the Midwest/Frontier deal Republic pilots were looking at a shrinking 50 seat RJ fleet, no growth in the E170, trying to get a interview at SWA, AirTran, ... after building 5000 TT, and Rev BB was getting ready to have his profits squeezed by the majors.
In my opinion, Republic pilots have a good chance of a DOH integration. Good luck.
Go back ten years and draw a timeline of CHQ and YX.Ten years ago,CHQ still had Saabs and J31's.then came 135/140/145's,then E170/175/190's,the turboprops disappeared,the seniority list multiplied by a factor of 5.YX,well...not so much.How much career expectation did you have at a shrinking airline ,hmmm ? See how those two arcs diverge ? Airtran wanted YX,just not bad enough.You make it sound like the F9 pilots' future at SWA was wrecked by RAH-maybe a SWA staple had something to do with it,ya think ?
01-27-2010, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by frankwasright
Oh,you're such a joker.Here's a little project for you:
Go back ten years and draw a timeline of CHQ and YX.Ten years ago,CHQ still had Saabs and J31's.then came 135/140/145's,then E170/175/190's,the turboprops disappeared,the seniority list multiplied by a factor of 5.YX,well...not so much.How much career expectation did you have at a shrinking airline ,hmmm ? See how those two arcs diverge ? Airtran wanted YX,just not bad enough.You make it sound like the F9 pilots' future at SWA was wrecked by RAH-maybe a SWA staple had something to do with it,ya think ?
Go back ten years and draw a timeline of CHQ and YX.Ten years ago,CHQ still had Saabs and J31's.then came 135/140/145's,then E170/175/190's,the turboprops disappeared,the seniority list multiplied by a factor of 5.YX,well...not so much.How much career expectation did you have at a shrinking airline ,hmmm ? See how those two arcs diverge ? Airtran wanted YX,just not bad enough.You make it sound like the F9 pilots' future at SWA was wrecked by RAH-maybe a SWA staple had something to do with it,ya think ?
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