Could DL get JAL Cargo? They are selling...
01-29-2010, 08:56 AM
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Do AF and KLM have 5th freedom rights to fly Cargo flights? I seem to recall we have plenty of NWA Cargo slots that are now unused. I would bet FDX and UPS might balk at AF and KLM starting NRT to LAX/ANC/SFO/JFK/ORD flights, and could throw a wrench in that process. NCA and JAL Cargo are the only 2 Japanese airlines allowed to do that, and then FDX, UPS, and NWA Cargo had the other slots.
01-29-2010, 09:25 AM
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For those unfamiliar with the history of cargo flying and combi aircraft, AF/KL liked to fly Combi pax/freighter AC on many routes.
The problem that NW had was in the USA, the FAA would not certify a combi unless the Freight section was forward and the pax section was aft. Something that market research showed was not favorably received by passengers?
KLM got European certification with pax forward and freight aft on some of their 747s (-300s if my memory is correct).
Not sure if RA would be interested in another pure cargo operation, but I guess he would at least entertain some sort of combi operation that had better revenue numbers on thin routes.
The problem that NW had was in the USA, the FAA would not certify a combi unless the Freight section was forward and the pax section was aft. Something that market research showed was not favorably received by passengers?
KLM got European certification with pax forward and freight aft on some of their 747s (-300s if my memory is correct).
Not sure if RA would be interested in another pure cargo operation, but I guess he would at least entertain some sort of combi operation that had better revenue numbers on thin routes.
01-29-2010, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Do AF and KLM have 5th freedom rights to fly Cargo flights? I seem to recall we have plenty of NWA Cargo slots that are now unused. I would bet FDX and UPS might balk at AF and KLM starting NRT to LAX/ANC/SFO/JFK/ORD flights, and could throw a wrench in that process. NCA and JAL Cargo are the only 2 Japanese airlines allowed to do that, and then FDX, UPS, and NWA Cargo had the other slots.
01-29-2010, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
FDX does, thanks to its purchase of Flying Tigers.
01-29-2010, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
They can balk, but Open Skies will nullify the Firth Freedom rights. That is the main reason that a JV with JAL is oh so important.
01-29-2010, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
You can have open skies, but what about landing slots? Not everyone can get in. And that Open Skies has really opened up Haneda, not. It is all about the slots.
01-29-2010, 02:11 PM
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It is not that simple, if you think that there aren't negotiations so that other Japanese companies take advantage of the available business you guys are dreaming. The slots at NRT are just as tight to get as the slots at HND, KIX. I wouldn't be bidding for trips just yet
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