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Bill Lumberg 01-28-2010 05:36 PM

Could DL get JAL Cargo? They are selling...
 
Looks like NCA (Nippon Air Cargo) may not like the terms for JAL Cargo and their 744Fs. If they decide to not buy, could Delta walk in and help out? JAL obviously wants out of that business. I know DL/NWA just dumped the ANC ops, but I think that was becuase we had older 742s, not newer, more fuel efficient 744Fs. Here is the article.



UPDATE 1-JAL, Nippon Yusen air cargo talks hit snag - Nikkei
Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:18pm ESTStocks


Jan 29 (Reuters) - The talks for the merger of air cargo operations of ailing Japan Airlines Corp (9205.T) and Nippon Yusen KK (9101.T) have reached an impasse over the basic framework of the deal, the Nikkei business daily reported.

In August last year, the two companies had agreed to combine their air cargo businesses by April 2010.

The plan called for JAL to spin off cargo operations, which would then be absorbed by Nippon Yusen unit Nippon Cargo Airlines Co. Nippon Yusen was to own a 50 to 60 percent interest in the new entity, with JAL holding the rest, Nikkei reported.

After JAL filed for bankruptcy protection last week, the state-backed Enterprise Turnaround Initiative Corp (ETIC) of Japan sought to sell off the cargo business or keep JAL's stake in the merged company to a minimum, the newspaper said.

"Doing so would remove the cargo operation's aircraft and roughly 3,000 employees from the balance sheet. The segment has been logging an operating loss of more than 20 billion yen a year," the Nikkei reported.

ETIC is overseeing JAL's reorganization.

The daily said Nippon Yusen opposes taking on the additional personnel, and quoted a senior executive saying that "the talks may be broken off". (Reporting by Ashutosh Joshi in Bangalore; Editing by Gopakumar Warrier)

acl65pilot 01-28-2010 05:47 PM

We need to do something with that cargo facility in LAX......



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InformationEcho 01-28-2010 07:45 PM

They've got 763F's as well.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../3/1633388.jpg

Bill Lumberg 01-28-2010 08:34 PM

Wikipedia shows this about JAL Cargo:




Cargo

JAL Cargo fleet (as of 30 December 2009 (2009 -12-30)[update])[81] Aircraft Total Maximum payload
Boeing 747-400BCF 4 113,489 kg (250,200 lb)[87]
Boeing 747-400F 2 112,630 kg (248,300 lb)[88]
Boeing 767-300ERF 3 53,660 kg (118,300 lb)[89]

Total 9

The Dominican 01-29-2010 01:12 AM

Lots of things developing in the near future in terms of alliances here in Japan, stay tuned.

shiznit 01-29-2010 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 753339)
Looks like NCA (Nippon Air Cargo) may not like the terms for JAL Cargo and their 744Fs. If they decide to not buy, could Delta walk in and help out?

"Doing so would remove the cargo operation's aircraft and roughly 3,000 employees from the balance sheet. The segment has been logging an operating loss of more than 20 billion yen a year," the Nikkei reported.

I think that would deter me from buying if I were in the market......

Bill Lumberg 01-29-2010 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 753565)
I think that would deter me from buying if I were in the market......

If NCA continues to balk, we might take a look at it, if the terms are good, IMO. NCA really just wants to get rid of a competitor, and we fly the same planes as JAL Cargo does. Maybe JAL will offer it. We shut down our Cargo Ops because we didn't have the right planes to fly it at the time. And, KLM and Air France both have cargo units, even after the worldwide recession.

acl65pilot 01-29-2010 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 753639)
If NCA continues to balk, we might take a look at it, if the terms are good, IMO. NCA really just wants to get rid of a competitor, and we fly the same planes as JAL Cargo does. Maybe JAL will offer it. We shut down our Cargo Ops because we didn't have the right planes to fly it at the time. And, KLM and Air France both have cargo units, even after the worldwide recession.

To continue that thought process......

AF/KLM has a lot of big cargo jets that they need to fill to pay the bills, ergo they may be the ones doing the Loin's Share of the cargo lift, not us.

yamahas3 01-29-2010 08:20 AM

Hopefully if this happened, those planes would end up being flown by Delta pilots. It sure would be sad to have gone from last year having a large in-house cargo division to this year having a "joint venture" "codeshare" "outsourced" cargo division flying the same routes and the same cargo with pilots who aren't even from North America.

acl65pilot 01-29-2010 08:34 AM

The reason I make that point is simple. I have heard it stated many times that AF and KLM have dedicated Cargo outfits that need cargo. We do not, so it only makes sense to direct that towards them. Not my choice I remind you, but the probably business decision.
Personally, I would love to see us flying around any cargo birds.


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