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73sw 02-03-2010 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Roper92 (Post 757429)
1. Comair - Delta Connection

2. 1993

3. Apparently not


Delta started this whole thing because the military guys didn't want to fly the Barbie jet. Did not even put up a fuss.

SkiBum112 02-03-2010 09:15 PM

AND we're off!

dojetdriver 02-03-2010 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 757456)
What are we counting as an RJ? Air Whiskey had the BAa 146 back in the 80s


Originally Posted by Oldfreightdawg (Post 757481)
True, Air Willie had a handful of B-146's, So did Air Cal, but by and large, most small jets (DC-9-10, F-100's, etc) were flown by the mainline carriers.

If you want to kick it up to the 90's, so did Westair, Mesaba, BIZEX, ASEA, etc


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 757483)
The DC-9 is not a regional jet.

Yes it is, ALL the Embraer/Bombardier products do is represent the evolution of 2 pilot narrow body jet. The DC-9 (and others) were made to operate on short segments, or in "regions" on routes where larger aircraft don't/wont work, OR to supplement service of the larger aircraft. Sounds like a "regional jet", doesn't it?


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 757483)
It is the first narrow-body two-pilot jet. It does fly the same routes as regional jets

NO, sadly it's jets operated by "regional" airlines that fly the SAME routes as the small AND large jets operated by the legacies.


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 757483)
but it's pay separates it from regional jets.

Not really, it's pay separates the pilots at the commuter airline flying a "regional" jet from the major/mainline/legacy pilots flying a "regional" jet.

80ktsClamp 02-03-2010 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 757503)
If you want to kick it up to the 90's, so did Westair, Mesaba, BIZEX, ASEA, etc



Yes it is, ALL the Embraer/Bombardier products do is represent the evolution of 2 pilot narrow body jet. The DC-9 (and others) were made to operate on short segments, or in "regions" on routes where larger aircraft don't/wont work, OR to supplement service of the larger aircraft. Sounds like a "regional jet", doesn't it?



NO, sadly it's jets operated by "regional" airlines that fly the SAME routes as the small AND large jets operated by the legacies.



Not really, it's pay separates the pilots at the commuter airline flying a "regional" jet from the major/mainline/legacy pilots flying a "regional" jet.


Good post, do.

iaflyer 02-04-2010 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 757503)
Yes it is, ALL the Embraer/Bombardier products do is represent the evolution of 2 pilot narrow body jet. The DC-9 (and others) were made to operate on short segments, or in "regions" on routes where larger aircraft don't/wont work, OR to supplement service of the larger aircraft. Sounds like a "regional jet", doesn't it?

Yep - the DC-9-10, first operated by Delta Air Lines seated 90 passengers. Same size as an CRJ900 eh?

JoeyMeatballs 02-04-2010 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 757456)
What are we counting as an RJ? Air Whiskey had the BAa 146 back in the 80s

they also got paid a lot more than your 170/190 rates

hockeypilot44 02-04-2010 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 757503)
If you want to kick it up to the 90's, so did Westair, Mesaba, BIZEX, ASEA, etc



Yes it is, ALL the Embraer/Bombardier products do is represent the evolution of 2 pilot narrow body jet. The DC-9 (and others) were made to operate on short segments, or in "regions" on routes where larger aircraft don't/wont work, OR to supplement service of the larger aircraft. Sounds like a "regional jet", doesn't it?



NO, sadly it's jets operated by "regional" airlines that fly the SAME routes as the small AND large jets operated by the legacies.



Not really, it's pay separates the pilots at the commuter airline flying a "regional" jet from the major/mainline/legacy pilots flying a "regional" jet.

The DC-9 is a narrow-body jet. It is not a regional jet. They designed a bunch of different versions of it to do different missions. The stretch models were designed to fly with half-way across the country with full passengers and no weight limitations. Every narrow-body jet from here on out will probably be given a title like "RJ" or "Ejet" to keep pilot pay down. Are you trying to put the DC-9 in the regional jet category and bring the piltos pay down another 60 percent?

Wolfie 02-04-2010 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 757683)
The DC-9 is a narrow-body jet. It is not a regional jet. They designed a bunch of different versions of it to do different missions. The stretch models were designed to fly with half-way across the country with full passengers and no weight limitations. Every narrow-body jet from here on out will probably be given a title like "RJ" or "Ejet" to keep pilot pay down. Are you trying to put the DC-9 in the regional jet category and bring the piltos pay down another 60 percent?

If you are saying every narrow-body jet is now an RJ, does that include my 757? I'd say hell no. The issue is that airlines are trying to do any route they can with an RJ, if United could get an ERJ-145 to do the ORD-HKG route, they could. Now, the routes that a CRJ-200 should be doing are routes like PHX-TUS, or in the longer stretch jets, CRJ-900, etc, are routes such as PHX-SNA, PHX-ABQ. But we see ERJ/CRJ jets doing routes like PHL-MCI, which is not a "Regional route" by any stretch of the imagination.


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 757575)
they also got paid a lot more than your 170/190 rates

For purposes in this thread, a "Regional Jet" will be considered any of these types: CRJ-100/200/700/900; ERJ-135/140/145; Dash-8-100/200/300/400; and Embraer 170/175/190/195. Which ones will not be included? Any of the DC-9 series, Fokker jets, Boeing 737-200/500/600, Airbus A318.

Justdoinmyjob 02-04-2010 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Wolfie (Post 757691)
For purposes in this thread, a "Regional Jet" will be considered any of these types: CRJ-100/200/700/900; ERJ-135/140/145; Dash-8-100/200/300/400; and Embraer 170/175/190/195. Which ones will not be included? Any of the DC-9 series, Fokker jets, Boeing 737-200/500/600, Airbus A318.

How about just saying any airplane flying part 121 NOT built by Boeing or Airbus.

Wolfie 02-04-2010 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 757696)
How about just saying any airplane flying part 121 NOT built by Boeing or Airbus.

That would include a Diesel-9, would it not?
Besides, it needs to be made very clear for some of us. ;)


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