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Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 771641)

Can you name one other airlne that has an ICAO airline code without an operating certificate?

Not off the top of my head. Only YX. Reason is most airlines stop selling tickets when the certificate is returned. No so in YX's case. It is a test case for the scenario that I started this thread with.

Skyteam Airlines. No certificate, but member carriers flying the code. All under contract with the virtual entity.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 769159)

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1528166.jpg

Bienvenidos a bordo del vuelo Skyteam 45 por Aeroméxico, que pronto se Aeroméxico-Delta-República frontera de Alaska

Now that's just funny, I don't care who you are.

This is the thread that I was talking about. Cooperative alliances that become virtual airlines. Take a look Alfa.

Regardless of who they contract lift for they could not feed the Delta operation which still is their primary purpose. If they feed the Delta operation they fall under our scope. If they can't feed the mainline they are off no value to Skyteam.

What if they are feeding skyteam?

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 768799)

"Skyteam" is a joint entity designed to serve member airlines. If it were to take a life of its' own, then these airlines would lose control. Shareholders in these airlines probably are not agreeable to having their airline subject to the whims of a contract with "Skyteam". And I don't see how you can create a mechanism to give the owners of DAL/AF-KLMetc. shares of "Skyteam" instead, because I don't see a way of getting around the resulting thorny merger issues, from a contractual and regulatory standpoint.

Either Skyteam is the tail, a marketing tool to enhance the revenues of member airlines, or it becomes the head, which implies a whole lot of complicated restructuring, IMO.

Never mind the fact that regulators like to have airlines serve at their pleasure, and have great difficulties approving ATI applications for a few carriers. I don't think they would let a Skyteam jugernaut exist, with he ability to control contract carriers at will.

Right now, I don't see it.

But I'll bet there are a few lawyers salivating at the premise.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 797634)

This is the thread that I was talking about. Cooperative alliances that become virtual airlines. Take a look Alfa.

I'm afraid you might be right. Airlines are a business and businesses go global if they want to become a megacorporation. Building cooperative alliances is the first step in a megacorporate airline. Not a merger of companies into one big one, but a conglomeration of several companies with one ruling body in a board of directors.

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Originally Posted by Romulus (Post 797763)

Who would be the "king" in the case of the conglomerate removing the anarcho-syndiclist commune that we all enjoy at the moment?

YouTube - Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 797925)

Who would be the "king" in the case of the conglomerate removing the anarcho-syndiclist commune that we all enjoy at the moment?

YouTube - Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Very good T! :D

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 797673)

What if they are feeding skyteam?

I know i am just a lowly regional captain looking to make it to the big leauges someday but I have been fearing this scenario since the day I first called out V1, Rotate. I have always thought it was heading to mega airlines called skyteam, one world, and Star. Global airlines where they dish out flying to whomever is cheapest. Next thing you know you have european and middle eastern airlines doing routes in the USA. These pilot negotations that are all going on are SO important. The scope section should take a year to negotiate to make sure every single avenue is tied down.