Republic may drop Midwest name
03-05-2010, 12:34 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Pilots root for the failure of Republic because Republic pilots are the lowest paid 100 seat airplane pilots in the world. It affects every single other pilot group out there when they negotiate. Your pay scales are used to keep others' down. It's nothing personal. My example is how the legacy pilots' pay was brought down to the likes of Jetblue, Airtran, Spirit, etc. In bankruptcy court, it wasn't hard to get the judge to cut the legacies' pay by 40% because there were already pilots at other airlines flying that cheap. There are a lot of Republic pilots who use to wish the demise of Mesa for the same reason. Well now Republic is the Mesa of major airlines. Nobody wants to see 3000 pilots out of work, but we can accept it if it's for the greater good of this industry. We consider it collateral damage.
03-05-2010, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Pilots root for the failure of Republic because Republic pilots are the lowest paid 100 seat airplane pilots in the world. It affects every single other pilot group out there when they negotiate. Your pay scales are used to keep others' down. It's nothing personal. My example is how the legacy pilots' pay was brought down to the likes of Jetblue, Airtran, Spirit, etc. In bankruptcy court, it wasn't hard to get the judge to cut the legacies' pay by 40% because there were already pilots at other airlines flying that cheap. There are a lot of Republic pilots who use to wish the demise of Mesa for the same reason. Well now Republic is the Mesa of major airlines. Nobody wants to see 3000 pilots out of work, but we can accept it if it's for the greater good of this industry. We consider it collateral damage.
03-05-2010, 01:00 PM
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Those 20 or so people mentioned are kind of like those hermit losers listening to live ATC all day just waiting to pounce on anything that doesn't jive with their "expertise" so they can try and make everyone think they are cool with all their opinions and "knowledge".
03-05-2010, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Pilots root for the failure of Republic because Republic pilots are the lowest paid 100 seat airplane pilots in the world. It affects every single other pilot group out there when they negotiate. Your pay scales are used to keep others' down. It's nothing personal. My example is how the legacy pilots' pay was brought down to the likes of Jetblue, Airtran, Spirit, etc. In bankruptcy court, it wasn't hard to get the judge to cut the legacies' pay by 40% because there were already pilots at other airlines flying that cheap. There are a lot of Republic pilots who use to wish the demise of Mesa for the same reason. Well now Republic is the Mesa of major airlines. Nobody wants to see 3000 pilots out of work, but we can accept it if it's for the greater good of this industry. We consider it collateral damage.
When I, and some others who post here, started at YX we were far below industry average and if you flew more than 80 hours/month you gave the company up to 6 hours of work for free. I was told to my face that we were ruining the industry. The same was said of People's Express, then American(bscale) and JetBlu.If memory serves I had a buddy at Braniff who raged against SouthWest and what they were doing to the industry. Yet he had gone and bought an FE rating in 727 to get hired at Braniff.
What's the point? That there is always someone not at top scale. If you look at Capt wages, it isn't RAH. RAH FO scales are poor, but if past history is any yardstick, that will be addressed. The beating up of Republic for their pay scales is not backed up by factual data.
03-05-2010, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiscopilot
I think it is more like 20 guys on this board with no life that "root" for the failure of Republic. The other 5 billion people on the planet could care less.
03-05-2010, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxQ
Not true. USAir top scale is about 95/hr for E-190. RAH top scale is 119/hr. There are various charter ops who pay less as well-with far worse working conditions.
When I, and some others who post here, started at YX we were far below industry average and if you flew more than 80 hours/month you gave the company up to 6 hours of work for free. I was told to my face that we were ruining the industry. The same was said of People's Express, then American(bscale) and JetBlu.If memory serves I had a buddy at Braniff who raged against SouthWest and what they were doing to the industry. Yet he had gone and bought an FE rating in 727 to get hired at Braniff.
What's the point? That there is always someone not at top scale. If you look at Capt wages, it isn't RAH. RAH FO scales are poor, but if past history is any yardstick, that will be addressed. The beating up of Republic for their pay scales is not backed up by factual data.
When I, and some others who post here, started at YX we were far below industry average and if you flew more than 80 hours/month you gave the company up to 6 hours of work for free. I was told to my face that we were ruining the industry. The same was said of People's Express, then American(bscale) and JetBlu.If memory serves I had a buddy at Braniff who raged against SouthWest and what they were doing to the industry. Yet he had gone and bought an FE rating in 727 to get hired at Braniff.
What's the point? That there is always someone not at top scale. If you look at Capt wages, it isn't RAH. RAH FO scales are poor, but if past history is any yardstick, that will be addressed. The beating up of Republic for their pay scales is not backed up by factual data.
03-05-2010, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
How many captains at Republic make $119/hour? Every single US Airways 190 captain makes $95/hour and every single US Airways first officer makes more than every single RAH first officer. A 10 year Republic captain makes $90/hour vs US Airways $95/hour. Most of your captains are making less than $80 hour. There's your factual data. You guys are the lowest paid.
I agree with you.
I was told first hand by the Midwest VP of Flight Operations that Republic never planned to pay the $119 per hour. It was only a carrot. I don't know where he got this idea.
The number I remember was that the Midwest pilots were offered a top pay of $87 per hour for Captains on E170, E190 and B717. The pay matched the Republic E170 scale (within one dlloar) but only to 12 years of seniority. They didn't include the Republics 13-20 year pay scales. That was the 40% different between the Midwest "take it or leave it" and Republic $119 per hour top pay.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a.../republic.html
This VP told me, face to face, that Midwest could never agree to paying Midwest Captains $119 per hour. My guess is very few Republic pilots will ever see that rate.
03-05-2010, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
How many captains at Republic make $119/hour? Every single US Airways 190 captain makes $95/hour and every single US Airways first officer makes more than every single RAH first officer. A 10 year Republic captain makes $90/hour vs US Airways $95/hour. Most of your captains are making less than $80 hour. There's your factual data. You guys are the lowest paid.
03-05-2010, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiscopilot
Didn't you say you used to work here? Aside from that I'm not sure what dog you have in this fight that requires your constant negative diatribe. Isn't there some Delta alpa board you can troll?
03-05-2010, 03:47 PM
#110
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I used to fly at Chautauqua well before this mess happened.
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