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Old 03-11-2010, 11:30 AM   #21  
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Why don't the airlines schedule their landings and takeoffs at each airport so there will be no landing/takeoff/gate access delays? Obviously, there is no controlling the WX, but if the airlines schedule 1000 movements at O'Hare between 1700-1900, and it can only accomodate 500 mvmts, delays will occur.

If I were gov't I would not allow more landings/takeoffs per hour, at any airport, than can be accomodated by ATC, the runways, taxiways and the gate availability. That would solve a huge chunk of the delay problems.

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That can work for cargo....if you have all day, or night.
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Old 03-11-2010, 11:37 AM   #22  
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Why don't the airlines schedule their landings and takeoffs at each airport so there will be no landing/takeoff/gate access delays? Obviously, there is no controlling the WX, but if the airlines schedule 1000 movements at O'Hare between 1700-1900, and it can only accomodate 500 mvmts, delays will occur.

If I were gov't I would not allow more landings/takeoffs per hour, at any airport, than can be accomodated by ATC, the runways, taxiways and the gate availability. That would solve a huge chunk of the delay problems.

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Since you mentioned ord I thought I would mention. A number of years ago both ual and amr did cut back many flights during a couple of peak times so the entire operations would work better for everyone at ord. They did this while working with the faa to improve operations at ord. Just so you know that same faa had all those slots(I know probably not the rght word) filled in less than 30 days by all the other airlines. Yes every last one. As far as weather I think atc tries to control it way too much. Many times having airliners sitting waiting when they could be leaving, yes even when we are asking them to let us go you get the same response from local control yes we agree with you but the flow control people still have the ground stop in effect. Hapens at iad all the time
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Old 03-11-2010, 04:55 PM   #23  
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I saw that passenger rights lady on CNN the other day. She was complaining about the airlines canceling so many flights due to weather. The anchor did not have much sympathy for her.
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I saw that passenger rights lady on CNN the other day. She was complaining about the airlines canceling so many flights due to weather. The anchor did not have much sympathy for her.
Love it! They sure showed us didnt they?
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Old 03-11-2010, 06:21 PM   #25  
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Love it! They sure showed us didnt they?
They did show us. I'm sure they will go after the airlines next because all the flights are full for a week as well as the hotels in the area. All I can say is have fun sleeping on the floor of airports......thats way better than sitting on a plane for 3 hours.
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Lets not forget how we got here. Flight after flight sitting for 6 or more hours on the tarmac and in a recent event overnight in Rochester with no food. Captains need to step up and be Captains and go back to the gate. I for one would not have stayed all night in a RJ stuck on the tarmac in Rochester.
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Lets not forget how we got here. Flight after flight sitting for 6 or more hours on the tarmac and in a recent event overnight in Rochester with no food. Captains need to step up and be Captains and go back to the gate. I for one would not have stayed all night in a RJ stuck on the tarmac in Rochester.
The problem is much bigger than crew. It is all related to deregulation. The Government used to strictly control routes to ensure the demand on infrastructure was not greater than capacity.

Also all this B.S. about modernizing ATC would help a little but would not solve the root cause, more operations than runway/gate space. The market pressure on airlines to cut cost while at the same time increase frequency to meet customer demand has caused the massive delay problems. To many small airplanes moving people around.

The article quoted is correct in the assertion the airlines could prevent cancelations by shifting operations to prevent high frequency operations, having more pilots and aircraft in reserve, however there is too much economic pressure to have the cheapest fair for these solutions to be viable.

I believe some price fixing by the government would be nice. A minimum CASM built into fairs would stabilize the industry. We would no longer be a greyhound with wings. It would also shrink the industry substantially. The idea that everyone should be able to afford airline travel is absurd. The traveling public are trying to have their cake and eat it too. If you want safe quality service without controllable delays it costs money. If you want affordable air travel you should remember to pack a pillow so that bench at the airport is more comfortable.
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I'm all for showing congress what the "law of unintended consequences" is all about but what that suggests borders on malicious and deceitful. Besides sitting in my office for hours on end while not getting paid does not sound like something I'd be gung ho about anyway.
It sure does, the policy sounds specifically designed to circumvent the rules. It refers to it numerous times as upholding the "Customer Commitment". I guess that means the customers will need to be committed after they go crazy and riot when held at the gate for 2 hours.

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Will the crew be babysitting without pay then?
Yes, unpaid babysitting.
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Old 03-11-2010, 07:48 PM   #29  
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Lets not forget how we got here. Flight after flight sitting for 6 or more hours on the tarmac and in a recent event overnight in Rochester with no food. Captains need to step up and be Captains and go back to the gate. I for one would not have stayed all night in a RJ stuck on the tarmac in Rochester.
I was at JFK when the Valentine's Day debacle happened in '07. A large part of the reason that people were stranded was the ramp areas were covered in ice and the jetways were unable to move. The ramps were so slick tugs were braking tow bars trying to push back airplanes to open up gates. The media blamed the airlines and there was some accountability but it wasn't a dereliction on the airline's part. Life happens. People forget that in our instant gratification life. This stupid rule just proves that the "law of unintended consequences" is alive and well.
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The passengers complained because they were delayed, now they won't get there until the next day if they are lucky. Funny. I hope they are happy.
No, they complained because they were locked up in a crowded, nasty( full toilets) tube without food or water for hours on end. The airlines had years and years to do something about it and they chose not to even address the issue.
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