Non CASS jumpseating (non reving)
03-26-2010, 07:37 AM
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Non CASS jumpseating (non reving)
Hey,
I had a quick question...what's your company's policy on allowing pilots to ride in the back that aren't in CASS? I work for a 135 operator based out of TEB, and I was wondering if it would be possible to ride in the back. I've heard success stories, but never really a clear answer.
I had a quick question...what's your company's policy on allowing pilots to ride in the back that aren't in CASS? I work for a 135 operator based out of TEB, and I was wondering if it would be possible to ride in the back. I've heard success stories, but never really a clear answer.
03-26-2010, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jelloy683
Hey,
I had a quick question...what's your company's policy on allowing pilots to ride in the back that aren't in CASS? I work for a 135 operator based out of TEB, and I was wondering if it would be possible to ride in the back. I've heard success stories, but never really a clear answer.
I had a quick question...what's your company's policy on allowing pilots to ride in the back that aren't in CASS? I work for a 135 operator based out of TEB, and I was wondering if it would be possible to ride in the back. I've heard success stories, but never really a clear answer.
03-26-2010, 12:20 PM
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Two separate issues here...
CASS is required by the TSA for cockpit access. It has nothing to do with JS privileges.
Jumpseat privileges are based on the airline's written policy, usually reciprocal with other operators. If your company is on an airline's list you can jumpseat (ie ride free). Without CASS you are limited to the cabin. Your company should have a JS list...if an airline is on your list, odds are good that you are on their list since these are usually reciprocal.
If your company does not offer jumpseats to other operators, there might be a few airlines left which will take any 135 pilot.
CASS is required by the TSA for cockpit access. It has nothing to do with JS privileges.
Jumpseat privileges are based on the airline's written policy, usually reciprocal with other operators. If your company is on an airline's list you can jumpseat (ie ride free). Without CASS you are limited to the cabin. Your company should have a JS list...if an airline is on your list, odds are good that you are on their list since these are usually reciprocal.
If your company does not offer jumpseats to other operators, there might be a few airlines left which will take any 135 pilot.
03-26-2010, 01:06 PM
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A Agree...but
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Two separate issues here...
CASS is required by the TSA for cockpit access. It has nothing to do with JS privileges.
Jumpseat privileges are based on the airline's written policy, usually reciprocal with other operators. If your company is on an airline's list you can jumpseat (ie ride free). Without CASS you are limited to the cabin. Your company should have a JS list...if an airline is on your list, odds are good that you are on their list since these are usually reciprocal.
If your company does not offer jumpseats to other operators, there might be a few airlines left which will take any 135 pilot.
CASS is required by the TSA for cockpit access. It has nothing to do with JS privileges.
Jumpseat privileges are based on the airline's written policy, usually reciprocal with other operators. If your company is on an airline's list you can jumpseat (ie ride free). Without CASS you are limited to the cabin. Your company should have a JS list...if an airline is on your list, odds are good that you are on their list since these are usually reciprocal.
If your company does not offer jumpseats to other operators, there might be a few airlines left which will take any 135 pilot.
With the new TSA policies and amended protocols at many carriers, the ability to "ride in the back" probably hinges on having a reciprocal jumpseat agreement and thus CASS "membership". The whole purpose of a reciprocal jumpseat agreement is to afford the opportunity to ride the cockpit jumpseat on reciprocal carriers. If a vacant seat is available in the back (or even First/Business class), most Captains will offer that option for a qualified jumpseater. You definitely will not be allowed to actually ride on the cockpit jumpseat without being in the CASS program.
Jelloy...you might find a Captain that will let you "ride in the back" as a Part 135 pilot, but I wouldn't count on it. Nothing personal, but cockpit access/jump seating has gotten much more restrictive in the past few years.
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03-26-2010, 08:21 PM
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Don't confuse jumpseating with non-reving.
Jumpseating, no matter where you sit, is a privilege where there are generally reciprocal agreements between the companies. If you go to the gate and ask for a free ride, that is jumpseating.
However, if you go through your pass bureau and obtain a standby ticket (ZED fare, ID90, etc...) that is non-reving and the captain has nothing to do with this process. There is generally a charge for this privilege.
Unless you have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement, rots of ruck.
GP
Jumpseating, no matter where you sit, is a privilege where there are generally reciprocal agreements between the companies. If you go to the gate and ask for a free ride, that is jumpseating.
However, if you go through your pass bureau and obtain a standby ticket (ZED fare, ID90, etc...) that is non-reving and the captain has nothing to do with this process. There is generally a charge for this privilege.
Unless you have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement, rots of ruck.
GP
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