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Old 03-31-2010, 07:33 AM
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Um, ruh-roh from this end too. Martin, I'm all for getting this place to actually look and operate like a major, but consolidation with AA? They've got 1800-ish guys on the street. Where exactly do you think we'd end up during that integration?

For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
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Um, ruh-roh from this end too. Martin, I'm all for getting this place to actually look and operate like a major, but consolidation with AA? They've got 1800-ish guys on the street. Where exactly do you think we'd end up during that integration?

For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
No, what it means is EAGLE is going to be replacing some of JB's flying to/from JFK (12 slots worth to start). More shrinkage in NYC. Wonder if the new Flight Sched manual has displacement language in it
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How much you wanna bet that the new member of BOD is going to have ties to AMR?

Hmmmmm?

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I think it's great. The first step to B6 being acquired and integrated into a major carrier. I've said all along... we are going to be a part consolidation or a victim of it.
"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"
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Originally Posted by aewanabe View Post
Um, ruh-roh from this end too. Martin, I'm all for getting this place to actually look and operate like a major, but consolidation with AA? They've got 1800-ish guys on the street. Where exactly do you think we'd end up during that integration?

For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
As of today Eagle doesnt fly to CLT/SYR from JFK. I am sure it will work both ways with JB gaining a bunch of slots at DCA and AMR gaining slots at JFK. Both sides will gain/lose routes.


Additional Markets - Announced on March 31
AE LaGuardia - Minneapolis/St. Paul 4 times/day
AE LaGuardia - Atlanta 7 times/day
AE LaGuardia - Charlotte 5 times/day
AA JFK - Fort Lauderdale 2 times/day
AE JFK - Cincinnati 2 times/day
AE JFK - Indianapolis 2 times/day
AE JFK - Norfolk 1 time/day

Additional Markets - Previously Announced
AA JFK - Austin 1 time/day
AE JFK - Columbus 2 times/day
AE JFK - St. Louis 2 times/day
AA JFK - Madrid 1 time/day
AA JFK Manchester 1 time/day
AA/JFK San Jose, Costa Rica 1 time/day

Additional Daily Frequencies
AA LaGuardia - Miami 1 new frequency
AA LaGuardia - Chicago 1 new frequency
1 new frequency 1 new frequency
AE LaGuardia - Boston 1 new frequency
AA JFK - Las Vegas 1 new frequency
AA JFK - Miami 2 new frequencies
AA JFK - Orlando 3 new frequencies
AA JFK - London (LHR) 1 new frequency

Reduced Frequencies
AE LaGuardia - Toronto 4 fewer frequencies
AE LaGuardia - Columbus 1 fewer frequency
AE LaGuardia - Raleigh Durham 2 fewer frequencies
AE JFK - Boston 1 new frequency
AE JFK - Washington, D.C. (DCA) 2 fewer frequencies
AE JFK - Raleigh Durham 2 fewer frequencies



The current list of markets intended to be covered by the interline agreement are these non-overlapping points served by JetBlue from New York's JFK and/or Boston:
Nantucket (ACK) Portland, OR (PDX)
Burlington (BVT)

Phoenix (PHX)
Buffalo (BUF) Portland, ME (PWM)
Denver (DEN) Richmond (RIC)
Houston (HOU) Rochester (ROC)
Washington Dulles (IAD) Fort Meyers (RSW)
Jacksonville (JAX) Salt Lake City (SLC)
New Orleans (MSY) Sarasota (SRQ)
West Palm Beach (PBI) Syracuse (SYR)

The following international points served by American from New York's JFK and/or Boston:
Barcelona, Spain (BCN) London, UK (LHR)
Brussels, Belgium (BRU) Madrid, Spain (MAD)
Paris, France (CDG) Manchester, UK (MAN)
Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE) Milan, Italy (MXP)
Rome, Italy (FCO) Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
Sao Paulo, Brazil (GRU) Zurich, Switzerland (ZRH)
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Originally Posted by AAflyer View Post
It is that thought exactly, that is spooking our guys. It is being discussed currently on our forum.

AA will try anything to circumvent our SCOPE clause. This appears to be a new way.. Watch out CAL pilots. I am sure Smisek is taking notes.

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Its gotta be a wakeup call for APA. AMR doesnt care how the pax get there, but as long as they connect to AA international flights (and oneworld partner intl flights).Through this agreement (and possibly an eventual codeshare with JB) AMR isnt gaining any sizeable revenue specifically from the feed flights, but they gain the international pax. The domestic market is being taken over by LCCs since they have a lower cost structure than the legacy carriers. LCCs do the same thing as regional carriers (fly domestically at a lower cost than legacy carriers) but they do it while surviving on their own. They dont need a Fee-For-Departure contract to fly in/out of JFK, they just do it. Here is the gap-filler for AMR between the CRJ700 and 737. Why bother negotiating Jetblue's E190 rates for APA when you can have Jetblue do it?
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
Its gotta be a wakeup call for APA. AMR doesnt care how the pax get there, but as long as they connect to AA international flights (and oneworld partner intl flights).Through this agreement (and possibly an eventual codeshare with JB) AMR isnt gaining any sizeable revenue specifically from the feed flights, but they gain the international pax. The domestic market is being taken over by LCCs since they have a lower cost structure than the legacy carriers. LCCs do the same thing as regional carriers (fly domestically at a lower cost than legacy carriers) but they do it while surviving on their own. They dont need a Fee-For-Departure contract to fly in/out of JFK, they just do it. Here is the gap-filler for AMR between the CRJ700 and 737.
Actually LCCs do far more than regionals.. I would be very worried if I were EGL. As to the last sentence, I am sure APA will be checking wether this violates our agreement. Sounds like you are happy. Enjoy!

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Actually LCCs do far more than regionals.. I would be very worried if I were EGL. As to the last sentence, I am sure APA will be checking wether this violates our agreement. Sounds like you are happy. Enjoy!

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Oh yea, LCCs do a hell of a lot more than regionals. I meant that the reason for Eagle to exist was to feed AA int'l flights, and now JB can do that without the added cost of owning/running Eagle. In the end AMR is concerned about feeding AA/oneworld int'l flights, and Eagle's best interests don't count in that equation. APA wants Eagle shut down, and this is your chance to get rid of us. AMR wants Eagle sold off so they dont have to worry about the cost of operations, so this is an easy way of getting rid of us too.

I'd love it if everyone had a change of heart and valued Eagle as a member of AMR, but that aint gonna happen. I'm not happy to see this happen, but what can we do at Eagle to force AMR to re-think things?? We have zero leverage from our side, and are just the dog to kick when things go wrong.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:08 AM
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Eagle ALPA should put Tim Martins on it. I heard he negotiated the new national health plan.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:22 AM
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the paranoia on here is comical. Its a few slots being swapped, big deal. The more you guys worry about the little things the more entertaining it gets!
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