AA and Jetblue forge new relationship
#11
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
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Um, ruh-roh from this end too. Martin, I'm all for getting this place to actually look and operate like a major, but consolidation with AA? They've got 1800-ish guys on the street. Where exactly do you think we'd end up during that integration?
For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
#12
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 393
Um, ruh-roh from this end too. Martin, I'm all for getting this place to actually look and operate like a major, but consolidation with AA? They've got 1800-ish guys on the street. Where exactly do you think we'd end up during that integration?
For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
#14
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#15
Um, ruh-roh from this end too. Martin, I'm all for getting this place to actually look and operate like a major, but consolidation with AA? They've got 1800-ish guys on the street. Where exactly do you think we'd end up during that integration?
For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
For that matter, every interline agreement we do to feed another carrier's big jets makes it less and less likely that we'll ever fly any big metal of our own. (Not that it's ever been real likely, but a factor in that nonetheless). The announcement from our end makes it sound like we're going to replacing mostly Eagle feed from places like CLT and SYR into JFK. Not really a good thing for any of the pilot groups.
Additional Markets - Announced on March 31
AE LaGuardia - Minneapolis/St. Paul 4 times/day
AE LaGuardia - Atlanta 7 times/day
AE LaGuardia - Charlotte 5 times/day
AA JFK - Fort Lauderdale 2 times/day
AE JFK - Cincinnati 2 times/day
AE JFK - Indianapolis 2 times/day
AE JFK - Norfolk 1 time/day
Additional Markets - Previously Announced
AA JFK - Austin 1 time/day
AE JFK - Columbus 2 times/day
AE JFK - St. Louis 2 times/day
AA JFK - Madrid 1 time/day
AA JFK Manchester 1 time/day
AA/JFK San Jose, Costa Rica 1 time/day
Additional Daily Frequencies
AA LaGuardia - Miami 1 new frequency
AA LaGuardia - Chicago 1 new frequency
1 new frequency 1 new frequency
AE LaGuardia - Boston 1 new frequency
AA JFK - Las Vegas 1 new frequency
AA JFK - Miami 2 new frequencies
AA JFK - Orlando 3 new frequencies
AA JFK - London (LHR) 1 new frequency
Reduced Frequencies
AE LaGuardia - Toronto 4 fewer frequencies
AE LaGuardia - Columbus 1 fewer frequency
AE LaGuardia - Raleigh Durham 2 fewer frequencies
AE JFK - Boston 1 new frequency
AE JFK - Washington, D.C. (DCA) 2 fewer frequencies
AE JFK - Raleigh Durham 2 fewer frequencies
The current list of markets intended to be covered by the interline agreement are these non-overlapping points served by JetBlue from New York's JFK and/or Boston:
Nantucket (ACK) Portland, OR (PDX)
Burlington (BVT)
Phoenix (PHX)
Buffalo (BUF) Portland, ME (PWM)
Denver (DEN) Richmond (RIC)
Houston (HOU) Rochester (ROC)
Washington Dulles (IAD) Fort Meyers (RSW)
Jacksonville (JAX) Salt Lake City (SLC)
New Orleans (MSY) Sarasota (SRQ)
West Palm Beach (PBI) Syracuse (SYR)
The following international points served by American from New York's JFK and/or Boston:
Barcelona, Spain (BCN) London, UK (LHR)
Brussels, Belgium (BRU) Madrid, Spain (MAD)
Paris, France (CDG) Manchester, UK (MAN)
Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE) Milan, Italy (MXP)
Rome, Italy (FCO) Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
Sao Paulo, Brazil (GRU) Zurich, Switzerland (ZRH)
AE LaGuardia - Minneapolis/St. Paul 4 times/day
AE LaGuardia - Atlanta 7 times/day
AE LaGuardia - Charlotte 5 times/day
AA JFK - Fort Lauderdale 2 times/day
AE JFK - Cincinnati 2 times/day
AE JFK - Indianapolis 2 times/day
AE JFK - Norfolk 1 time/day
Additional Markets - Previously Announced
AA JFK - Austin 1 time/day
AE JFK - Columbus 2 times/day
AE JFK - St. Louis 2 times/day
AA JFK - Madrid 1 time/day
AA JFK Manchester 1 time/day
AA/JFK San Jose, Costa Rica 1 time/day
Additional Daily Frequencies
AA LaGuardia - Miami 1 new frequency
AA LaGuardia - Chicago 1 new frequency
1 new frequency 1 new frequency
AE LaGuardia - Boston 1 new frequency
AA JFK - Las Vegas 1 new frequency
AA JFK - Miami 2 new frequencies
AA JFK - Orlando 3 new frequencies
AA JFK - London (LHR) 1 new frequency
Reduced Frequencies
AE LaGuardia - Toronto 4 fewer frequencies
AE LaGuardia - Columbus 1 fewer frequency
AE LaGuardia - Raleigh Durham 2 fewer frequencies
AE JFK - Boston 1 new frequency
AE JFK - Washington, D.C. (DCA) 2 fewer frequencies
AE JFK - Raleigh Durham 2 fewer frequencies
The current list of markets intended to be covered by the interline agreement are these non-overlapping points served by JetBlue from New York's JFK and/or Boston:
Nantucket (ACK) Portland, OR (PDX)
Burlington (BVT)
Phoenix (PHX)
Buffalo (BUF) Portland, ME (PWM)
Denver (DEN) Richmond (RIC)
Houston (HOU) Rochester (ROC)
Washington Dulles (IAD) Fort Meyers (RSW)
Jacksonville (JAX) Salt Lake City (SLC)
New Orleans (MSY) Sarasota (SRQ)
West Palm Beach (PBI) Syracuse (SYR)
The following international points served by American from New York's JFK and/or Boston:
Barcelona, Spain (BCN) London, UK (LHR)
Brussels, Belgium (BRU) Madrid, Spain (MAD)
Paris, France (CDG) Manchester, UK (MAN)
Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE) Milan, Italy (MXP)
Rome, Italy (FCO) Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
Sao Paulo, Brazil (GRU) Zurich, Switzerland (ZRH)
#16
Its gotta be a wakeup call for APA. AMR doesnt care how the pax get there, but as long as they connect to AA international flights (and oneworld partner intl flights).Through this agreement (and possibly an eventual codeshare with JB) AMR isnt gaining any sizeable revenue specifically from the feed flights, but they gain the international pax. The domestic market is being taken over by LCCs since they have a lower cost structure than the legacy carriers. LCCs do the same thing as regional carriers (fly domestically at a lower cost than legacy carriers) but they do it while surviving on their own. They dont need a Fee-For-Departure contract to fly in/out of JFK, they just do it. Here is the gap-filler for AMR between the CRJ700 and 737. Why bother negotiating Jetblue's E190 rates for APA when you can have Jetblue do it?
#17
Its gotta be a wakeup call for APA. AMR doesnt care how the pax get there, but as long as they connect to AA international flights (and oneworld partner intl flights).Through this agreement (and possibly an eventual codeshare with JB) AMR isnt gaining any sizeable revenue specifically from the feed flights, but they gain the international pax. The domestic market is being taken over by LCCs since they have a lower cost structure than the legacy carriers. LCCs do the same thing as regional carriers (fly domestically at a lower cost than legacy carriers) but they do it while surviving on their own. They dont need a Fee-For-Departure contract to fly in/out of JFK, they just do it. Here is the gap-filler for AMR between the CRJ700 and 737.
AA
#18
I'd love it if everyone had a change of heart and valued Eagle as a member of AMR, but that aint gonna happen. I'm not happy to see this happen, but what can we do at Eagle to force AMR to re-think things?? We have zero leverage from our side, and are just the dog to kick when things go wrong.