UAL/CAL history
 

Found this interesting tidbit while surfing today

So don't think of it as a merger, think of it as a homecoming :D

Wow, that is interesting:cool: (seriously)

But, bet you didn't know that the grandfathers of the founders of Delta and Northwest Airlines shot at each other at Gettysburg. But, they did have beers together at the 20 year reunion in 1883.

No kidding, I read it on the internet so it's gotta be true.......right??:D

Wiki it, everything is there Ferd! :rolleyes:

Yep, and it's all true or double your money back :p

Yea, the Varney stuff is true, but the more recent history of UAL pilots wearing buttons that say "screw Continental" back in the '80's is also true. It's going to be interesting.

If you really want to talk about the 80's, please call my father. He was a strike til the bitter end Eastern Pilot. If todays pilots had the same intestinal fortitude and principles, the industry would be dramatically different.

What do you think of Continentals impact on the industry during the 80's that reverberated for decades?

Carpe Diem

I wasn't in the industry back then but I would guess it had more to do with CALs CEO at the time(Lorenzo) than the CAL pilots.

You're right, the industry would be dramatically different. There would probably be no unions left in the airlines or they would be dramatically weaker. Not to denigrate your father's accomplishments, career, or backbone, but the law and the times are stacked against us. Under today's rules and government, any major pilot's strike would be deemed illegal. That could lead to crushing fines and dissolution of the union.

The work rules and benefits we enjoy today are a direct result of men like your father and I salute him and all his contemporaries. Unfortunately, in today's environment, history can not repeat itself.

Actually I thing it was about the hub in Denver and the fight for it. CAL/UAL has a checked past but have come together in recent years.

Barf...10 pilots in a room, 11 views.

We need to start considering differences. Things like sick leave use policy, which vacation pay formula or bid system will be used. There are hundreds of concerns and you people (who weren't there) are worried about what someone's father did 30 years ago? To move forward we need to look forward.

and another thing...

I have heard and read many UAL pilots state that they want better (in fact CAL's) mgt. Be careful what you ask for. In my view, one of the reasons things have been so bad at UAL since 9/11 is that CAL mgt has proven to be a huge cost advantage competitor. They've done this by taking from labor, especially pilots. UAL mgt just wasn't as adept at getting more for less from pilots. It's very early in the game, but if we dont hang together, we will for sure hang seperately.

I'll second this statement!

I also recall a play on the CAL marketing slogan, "One Airline Can Make a Difference". During the late eighties, the UAL pilot changed it to "One less Airline Can Make a Difference". Now you need Continental to save you guys? Yeah, right!

The point is.... there is now use in throwing rocks when you live in a glass house. Every airline, every pilot group has skeletons in the closet. Would you like to discuss the historical injustices from the Delta guys, the American guys, the USAir guys etc. The bigger issue is how we can make gains going forward. No United guy is pleased with the present circumstances and its definitely not under the presumption we were hired under.

So, we can sit around and b&tch about it, or do something in an attempt to counter the forces that are reshaping the industry.

Carpe Diem

On a side note,

Rumor floating around CAL is we might see a mass exodus of scabs to retirements due to the merger. The ones I've spoken with are terrified as to how they will be treated by their UAL breathren.

I wasn't refering to scabs, I was refering to the fight over Denver.

23 years too late, but I won't miss them.

B.S. flag thrown and thrown high! The only thing I've heard scabs say is how they've always wanted to fly the 747-400. If anyone thinks scabs will run, or not be protected you're dreaming. Former CAL mgt protecting scabs is just one way the new mgt team will make this new monster float.

carpe seniority

WOW, seriously? If its true, that's the best news I've heard in years.

I'll go along with this merger as long as the UAL pilots vote out ALPA. They have not helped either pilot group.

That gives me an idea on SLI...
Put scabs from both airlines on the bottom of the list!
Wouldn't that make a lot of pilots happy?:p

SIDE NOTE....
You were the same cat who posted the thread yesterday about EWR-LEC going 'mute' on each other, not getting along???? Seem's that someone has already waved the BS FLAG on your bottomless/untrue rumor & removed your thread on "and this is representation".....Keep putting the Hate in "Hater".

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