Awright, rather than get in a peeing match with alfa and slow et al and saying something I'll regret later, I'm gonna shut up and take a "look and see" approach. I sincerely DALPA works with our MEC to ensure that the CPS pilots who were hired under the promise of a flowthrough are treated fairly. In the crew room now on a 4 hr "productivity break," and the mood is very, very bleak.

/sigh

Guys, stop kidding yourselves, there will be no flow.

Delta hated the idea and I doubt the MEC will fight to keep it.

I do not argue that at all. From their perspective they want everyone hired here to go though their process, not one the mimics their.

We do not argue that point at all. It came down to the will of the pilots and frankly there was not support and it then went the way it did. Another lesson learned.

At one point management wanted out of the flow. We could have offered a solution based on unity.

But, at the end of the day we might just have to undo what created Compass in the first place. Our predecessors traded jobs for credits which were applied to saving pensions. Perhaps the pension money needs to be taken back and applied to jobs. I know that earned me a turd in the flight case, but how fair is it to trade one pilot's career progression for another pilot's retirement? This cross subsidization of favored pilots at the expense of others has got to stop somewhere.

Besides as we trade away more and more jobs, ALPA as a union becomes less and less powerful. We become less and less relevant. That harms our ability to negotiate for 767 Captains and DC9 FO's alike.

It is a matter of priorities. Once we put a for sale sign on member's jobs the discussion then becomes, who do we sell? About anything can be justified based on economics.

We fail to think ahead to the next round of negotiations. Once traded away, scope is gone. So a scope sale benefits us for exactly one round. It harms our interest in the next round. The result is that scope is a leading indicator for contractual results in other areas. Sell scope = harder to get leverage in the next negotiation = continued negative trend line in pay and benefits.

I believe that it was signed or understood that flow rights are not right until you actually flow. Express Jet had this set up to avoid the lawsuits and I am sure that CPS and Mesaba put those protections in the new hire and or flow agreement somewhere too.

Suffice to say, update that app, and talk to you reps.

Our pilots are mostly uninformed. Those who read our scope publications were misinformed. They had a blast and made a ton of money flying for Express, but they have no clue as to why you would want that same opportunity.

Your mission, if you choose to accept it ... 'splain basic representation to folks who don't understand what it means when a RJ has a lower CASM and better range than a 737.

A strong moral compass is a heck of a burden.

haven't they been saying at all the roadshows the rough numbers for the flow from each company and how that would affect the number of off the street hires? Seems like a well coordinated case of to-your-face lying if not true.

I have not reread the LOA's today, but the stipulation on the flows and our PWA as I recall them is that it triggers a pullback to 85 76 seat jets if the flow becomes unavailable, but it does not stipulate by what means. It also does not define a flow up or down. So at the end of the day if it is ended this trigger may still hold a ton of leverage/water.

Brotta I do it on almost every leg. As you know I like to talk. :D

There are so many things in play, and the motto of"
A measure of a person is what how he/she treats someone he/she has nothing to gain from.

If DAL hires the flow does very little for me as a person, but it does not mean that I do not want to honor it for the guys that until today planed their futures on it.