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The Chow 08-17-2010 04:18 PM

Southwest flight attendant takes baby
 
I didn't see this posted yet.

Flight attendants are in the news quite a bit lately.

Crew takes baby slapped by mom aboard plane - Travel - News - msnbc.com

Red Forman 08-17-2010 05:58 PM

This is why you should have to have a certain IQ in order to reproduce.

Hacker15e 08-17-2010 06:11 PM

Well, there is clearly a disparity in the story:


A Southwest Airlines flight attendant reportedly removed a baby from her parents' care mid-flight after witnessing the mother slap her crying child.
Vs:


"In this case, it was a baby that was upset, and the flight attendant asked the mother if she wanted help with the baby."
If it's the former, then it's absolutely none of that FA's business unless there is clearly an assault/abuse or a threat to the safe conduct of the flight.

Otherwise, it's none of their business.

I smell a lawsuit if it is, indeed, the former.

The Chow 08-18-2010 04:04 AM

Hacker,

Are you saying the media could have gotten this story wrong?

How dare you sir/ma'am! :rolleyes:

Royer 08-18-2010 07:53 AM

I read the headline yesterday, and before I even read the article I knew it was SWA. Greyhound prices = Grehound passengers.

MILPILOT17 08-18-2010 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Royer (Post 857446)
I read the headline yesterday, and before I even read the article I knew it was SWA. Greyhound prices = Grehound passengers.

It's not a "Greyhound" paycheck though$$$$$$$$$$$$ I'm reminded of that fact on the 5th and the 20th of every month.

DYNASTY HVY 08-18-2010 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by MILPILOT17 (Post 857613)
It's not a "Greyhound" paycheck though$$$$$$$$$$$$ I'm reminded of that fact on the 5th and the 20th of every month.

Zinnggggggggggg!


Ally

shiznit 08-18-2010 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by MILPILOT17 (Post 857613)
It's not a "Greyhound" paycheck though$$$$$$$$$$$$ I'm reminded of that fact on the 5th and the 20th of every month.

It is a GREYHOUND paycheck.....It just doesn't feel like one since others' paychecks have dropped to "Trailways" levels....

FAULTPUSH 08-18-2010 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 857711)
It is a GREYHOUND paycheck.....It just doesn't feel like one since others' paychecks have dropped to "Trailways" levels....

And nowhere near the paycheck that the lady will get. We reportedly settled for 6 figures to a lady who was beating her kids on a flight.

captjns 08-18-2010 07:41 PM

Do you rememer when the letters PC stood for personal computer?:rolleyes:

shiznit 08-19-2010 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 857747)
And nowhere near the paycheck that the lady will get. We reportedly settled for 6 figures to a lady who was beating her kids on a flight.

That sucks.....

I like the "SWA LUV" though and hope you guys can keep it alive.

chuck416 08-20-2010 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 857247)
This is why you should have to have a certain IQ in order to reproduce.


Do you seriously believe that being a loving, caring, stable parent has a direct correlation to IQ? I submit that intellect has just about zero direct correlation with perpetration of one person's hatred upon another. Seems to be much more of a spiritual dynamic. Color me crazy if you will....
chuck

OscartheGrouch 08-21-2010 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Royer (Post 857446)
I read the headline yesterday, and before I even read the article I knew it was SWA. Greyhound prices = Grehound passengers.

Well Royer, that was very profound. As a SWA employee, a frequent flyer on DAL and while jumpseating on other carriers I can honestly say that the greyhound passengers are at every airline. While not a scientific study on my part I would challenge anyone to dispute it by actual demographic studies of your passenger base. Are you actually new to APC or are you re- entering the fight with a new call sign?:rolleyes:

The Oscar

757upspilot 08-21-2010 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch (Post 858913)
Well Royer, that was very profound. As a SWA employee, a frequent flyer on DAL and while jumpseating on other carriers I can honestly say that the greyhound passengers are at every airline. While not a scientific study on my part I would challenge anyone to dispute it by actual demographic studies of your passenger base. Are you actually new to APC or are you re- entering the fight with a new call sign?:rolleyes:

The Oscar

How about a study of the demographics before and after de regulation and where the original demographic is flying now. Its such a pain to fly on the Pax Carriers we have people jumpseating on a freighter instead of taking a ticket on the Pax.

duvie 08-22-2010 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 857711)
It is a GREYHOUND paycheck.....It just doesn't feel like one since others' paychecks have dropped to "Trailways" levels....

Tell me the last time a third year greyhound driver made six figures :o They're paid well over there, no real way around that.

Scoop 08-22-2010 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch (Post 858913)
Well Royer, that was very profound. As a SWA employee, a frequent flyer on DAL and while jumpseating on other carriers I can honestly say that the greyhound passengers are at every airline. While not a scientific study on my part I would challenge anyone to dispute it by actual demographic studies of your passenger base. Are you actually new to APC or are you re- entering the fight with a new call sign?:rolleyes:

The Oscar


As a DAL Pilot I can vouch for Oscar - Delta has our share of seemingly moronic passengers.

Scoop

oldfr8dog 08-22-2010 06:26 PM

What's up with all the Greyhound bashing? When I was a kid my dream was to grow up and drive a bus for them. Alas, it didn't work out. :rolleyes:

CHQ Pilot 08-22-2010 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 857877)
That sucks.....

I like the "SWA LUV" though and hope you guys can keep it alive.

I don't think FAULTPUSH works for SWA, but none the less, I'm sure we will pay out big. I don't remember the exact figure that SWA pays out each year in settlements or free travel (some have received several years for free I was told), but I do remember thinking to myself that it was a lot of money. I wish we had a backbone sometimes, but the company has chosen a path that it is better to settle than expend money on legal costs. Airlines are perceived as cash cows so it seems anyone will try and get money out of them.

caflyer 08-22-2010 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by CHQ Pilot (Post 859541)
I wish we had a backbone sometimes, but the company has chosen a path that it is better to settle than expend money on legal costs. Airlines are perceived as cash cows so it seems anyone will try and get money out of them.

I would have to credit Southwest for taking the high road this time.
My guess is the the F/As did not make the desicion to look out for the baby's welfare and removing this child from the parent lightly, but did it anyway.
I have nothing but praise for the staff and the airline for doing this.

Zoot Suit 08-22-2010 09:33 PM

Had this been my child I would have hired a VERY good lawyer and sued the airline AND the F/A who did this bigtime. I would also try to get the F/A arrested for kidnapping.

Once again it seems the second you step on an aircraft, all your civil rights seem to be left at the airport. Tell me what right a F/A has to take MY child away from me. Does she know the medical history of my child? I hope the airline pays out big for this and it NEVER happenes again. I probably would have been arrested for assault if ANYONE on an airplane tried to take away my child.

Tuck 08-23-2010 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 859578)
Had this been my child I would have hired a VERY good lawyer and sued the airline AND the F/A who did this bigtime. I would also try to get the F/A arrested for kidnapping.

Once again it seems the second you step on an aircraft, all your civil rights seem to be left at the airport. Tell me what right a F/A has to take MY child away from me. Does she know the medical history of my child? I hope the airline pays out big for this and it NEVER happenes again. I probably would have been arrested for assault if ANYONE on an airplane tried to take away my child.

of course. You're probably also the guy who berates a neighbor for correcting your child. Values..we're losing and I suspect you're part of the problem.

Kudos to the FA.

Zoot Suit 08-24-2010 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 859993)
of course. You're probably also the guy who berates a neighbor for correcting your child. Values..we're losing and I suspect you're part of the problem.

Kudos to the FA.


If that neighbor was you, then yes I would berate you since I suspect that you are part of the problem since your statement makes no sense. The parent disciplined the child and you say kudos to the F/A for taking the child away, then you attack me as someone who does not want my child disciplined. Make up your mind. Can the usher in a movie theater take away your baby? Can a waitress in a restaurant do it? Now if the F/A had told the Captain that a parent smacked their child and she thinks the police should be waiting at the gate I could almost see that as a way to go.

Kudos to the lawyer that gets money from SW on this one. Any Attorneys want to chime in???

Raidr17 08-24-2010 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 860212)
If that neighbor was you, then yes I would berate you since I suspect that you are part of the problem since your statement makes no sense. The parent disciplined the child and you say kudos to the F/A for taking the child away, then you attack me as someone who does not want my child disciplined. Make up your mind. Can the usher in a movie theater take away your baby? Can a waitress in a restaurant do it? Now if the F/A had told the Captain that a parent smacked their child and she thinks the police should be waiting at the gate I could almost see that as a way to go.

Kudos to the lawyer that gets money from SW on this one. Any Attorneys want to chime in???

The flight attendant offered to hold the child while the parents had it out, they agreed, what else is there? Has this really soaked up this much time and data on this forum? Ridiculous.

tsquare 08-24-2010 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 859578)
Tell me what right a F/A has to take MY child away from me. Does she know the medical history of my child?

It wasn't a Flight Attendant. It was a human being watching another human being (sort of) beat on a smaller defenseless human being.. and she did what she should. Unless that child had CF, what does the medical history have to do with it?

Of course all the angst is based on a news service report so who knows what the REAL story is... slapped could mean punched repeatedly or more than likely, a simple tap....

paxhauler85 08-24-2010 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 860212)
Can the usher in a movie theater take away your baby? Can a waitress in a restaurant do it?

If they felt the child was in danger, I would hope they would.

Do the right thing. It's simple. Help those who aren't capable of helping themselves.

I understand this struck a nerve with you, but it makes you come across as a emotionally charged, money grubbing *****. "How can someone do something that gets me paid?" That's a sick way to go through life.

Tuck 08-24-2010 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 860212)
If that neighbor was you, then yes I would berate you since I suspect that you are part of the problem since your statement makes no sense. The parent disciplined the child and you say kudos to the F/A for taking the child away, then you attack me as someone who does not want my child disciplined. Make up your mind. Can the usher in a movie theater take away your baby? Can a waitress in a restaurant do it? Now if the F/A had told the Captain that a parent smacked their child and she thinks the police should be waiting at the gate I could almost see that as a way to go.

Kudos to the lawyer that gets money from SW on this one. Any Attorneys want to chime in???

The BABY was 13 months old! no, you don't slap a 13 month old.

Red Forman 08-25-2010 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 859578)
Had this been my child I would have hired a VERY good lawyer and sued the airline AND the F/A who did this bigtime. I would also try to get the F/A arrested for kidnapping.

Once again it seems the second you step on an aircraft, all your civil rights seem to be left at the airport. Tell me what right a F/A has to take MY child away from me. Does she know the medical history of my child? I hope the airline pays out big for this and it NEVER happenes again. I probably would have been arrested for assault if ANYONE on an airplane tried to take away my child.

So by your reasoning if I see someone getting beat up in front of my house, I should just stay inside, let it happen, and not offer any assistance?

Royer 08-25-2010 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch (Post 858913)
Well Royer, that was very profound. As a SWA employee, a frequent flyer on DAL and while jumpseating on other carriers I can honestly say that the greyhound passengers are at every airline.

You are correct. Greyhound passengers exist at every airline. It just thought it was funny that I guessed which airline it was before I read the article.

But am I wrong to conclude that the lower the ticket price, the lower the class of people that buy the tickets? You don't see the poor buying seats on Netjets.

sydney5316 08-26-2010 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 860438)
The BABY was 13 months old! no, you don't slap a 13 month old.

+1. The Mom should have been slapped.

N9373M 08-26-2010 07:15 AM

Taking the child away was correct. SWA would have probably gotten sued either way - taking the child, or negligence for not taking the child.

cactusmike 08-26-2010 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Zoot Suit (Post 859578)
Had this been my child I would have hired a VERY good lawyer and sued the airline AND the F/A who did this bigtime. I would also try to get the F/A arrested for kidnapping.

Once again it seems the second you step on an aircraft, all your civil rights seem to be left at the airport. Tell me what right a F/A has to take MY child away from me. Does she know the medical history of my child? I hope the airline pays out big for this and it NEVER happenes again. I probably would have been arrested for assault if ANYONE on an airplane tried to take away my child.

I don't know, maybe it was the fact that the mother slapped a 2 year old? Abuse a woman or abuse a child in front of me and I guarantee you will be confronted.

Step on a airplane and you do give up your right to be an ***hole. You are now required to obey the Code of Federal Regulations and you are subject to the authority of the captain of the flight.

5wnriders 08-26-2010 06:24 PM

Zoot, really?!! IF you are a parent, and I mean IF.... you would completely comprehend it would be a cold day in he!! that any sane parent would "allow" someone to just reach in and take away one of their kids. Never happening, EVER! Ten to one that woman knew she was out of line and recognized she needed help for a moment or 20 to compose herself. Thus, giving permission to have some assistance. Plus, there was another parent of that kiddo involved... If this "kidnapping" was so egregious, where was he in all the ruckus? See, I'm one of those parents who does believe that spanking on the bottom has a function... I however do not condone slapping or hitting a child in any other locale. Discipline Vs. hitting because you are frustrated are two totally different things. I wonder how you would react to me beating my golden retriever in the dog park? Would that be ok too?


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