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X Rated 09-10-2010 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 868639)
People need to read this thing VERY VERY carefully...it changes everything about the way your day will go.

It is almost ALL duty based. There is NO 30/7 ANY LONGER!

100/1000 limits are now "rolling calendar days" and not CALENDAR BASED! 100 in a 28 day period is a significant give back.

13 hour max duty day. 9 hours min rest that can still be reduced (1 time a week).

10 hours flight time depending on the time of day.

Nu

No, but now there's

(b) No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept
an assignment if the flightcrew member’s total flight time will exceed the following:

(1) 100 hours in any 28 consecutive calendar day period

No more "good as new" on the first of the month. Good for some operations, bad for others, I'm sure.

Xray678 09-10-2010 11:45 AM

Looking it over, it seems that we have actually moved backward in some areas. In terms of allowing ten hours of flying in one day, I'm fine with that. I would much rather fly to STT and back vs sitting in coach one way deadheading.

And what's this about the company and the PIC jointly deciding to reduce rest by one hour. Because I'm an FO I don't get a say in how tired I am and how much rest I need? I call bull$hit to that.

Seggy 09-10-2010 11:45 AM

filler nevermind

cubbies4life 09-10-2010 12:02 PM

Is this only 121 or will it include changes to 135 rest requirements also?

NuGuy 09-10-2010 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by cubbies4life (Post 868694)
Is this only 121 or will it include changes to 135 rest requirements also?

Officially its "part 117", and from what I understand, it applies to everything.

Regionals that have long duty days and lots of legs are going to be SOL.

Nu

stoki 09-10-2010 12:12 PM

So what happens with this now? It has to be voted upon? When would it be implemented?

hockeypilot44 09-10-2010 12:15 PM

This is unbelievable to me. It's like a contract negotiation. You would think that we would flat out get a better deal given this is a safety issue. It seems to me that they are taking at some places and adding at others equaling a cost-neutral solution. Overall this will do nothing to improve safety. Everywhere it does improve safety decreases safety somewhere else.

NuGuy 09-10-2010 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 868704)
This is unbelievable to me. It's like a contract negotiation. You would think that we would flat out get a better deal given this is a safety issue. It seems to me that they are taking at some places and adding at others equaling a cost-neutral solution. Overall this will do nothing to improve safety. Everywhere it does improve safety decreases safety somewhere else.

True, and this isn't even the final language. There are many things that if left in, and if other things changed, this would be worse than what they have now.

Nu

skytrekker 09-10-2010 12:22 PM

''''''
From DOT Secretary LaHood

Welcome to the FastLane: The Official Blog of the U.S. Secretary of Transportation

September 10, 2010

Landmark rule to manage pilot fatigue
will help protect 700 million air passengers each year


Today, we're announcing a significant improvement in air travel safety: a proposal to fight fatigue among commercial pilots. This will help protect the more than 700 million passengers and pilots who travel our nation's airways each year.
As you may recall, managing fatigue was a top priority in our Airline Safety Call to Action following the tragic crash of Colgan Air flight 3407 in February 2009. We held a dozen safety forums all across the US. We've talked with safety experts, aviation specialists, and fatigue scientists. And I'm pleased that we have addressed this issue.


The proposed rule also incorporates input from an Aviation Rulemaking Committee with members from labor, industry, and the FAA. As Administrator Randy Babbitt said, "Fighting fatigue is the joint responsibility of the airline and the pilot, and after years of debate, the aviation community is moving forward to give pilots the tools they need to manage fatigue and fly safely."
Key new features of the proposed rule include:
  • One consistent rule for domestic, international, and unscheduled flights
  • A nine-hour opportunity for rest prior to duty (a one-hour increase over current rules)
  • New approach to measuring a rest period that guarantees the opportunity for eight hours of sleep
  • Different requirements based on time-of-day, number of scheduled segments, flight types, time zones, and likelihood that a pilot is able to sleep
Features to manage cumulative risk include:
  • Weekly and monthly limits on duty time of any kind
  • Thirty consecutive hours free from duty every week (a 25% increase over current rules)
http://usdotblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00...b3a5970c-120wi The proposed rule also gives pilots the right to decline an assignment if they feel fatigued--without penalty.
The FAA has also prepared guidance for air carriers who are required by Congress to develop a Fatigue Risk Management Plan.
One important aspect of our proposed rulemaking is that it will be open for public comment. So please weigh in at www.regulations.gov.





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chuckyt1 09-10-2010 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by cubbies4life (Post 868694)
Is this only 121 or will it include changes to 135 rest requirements also?

121 only for now...

Accordingly, the part 135 community should expect to see an NPRM addressing its operations that looks very similar to, if not exactly like, the final rule the agency anticipates issuing as part of this rulemaking initiative.


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