Guard/Reserve guys coming back to Major jobs
10-20-2010, 06:14 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by scambo1
You are more optimistic on the mil budget that I am - POMMING for fy 12 is by invitation only and you have to be read in - It will be UGLY. Like zero MPA and RPA at 10% of fy 10 levels. That is low. I hope I am Chicken Little, but I dont think so.
10-20-2010, 02:57 PM
#12
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We are scratching our heads here at Dover about the MPA money hold back. Got word today from one of our guys who is doing the GRACC course at TACC that the staff has been working this issue non-stop since the end of september. Yes, the money has dried up, but the mission taskings are continuing to flow and the active duty is starting to feel the pain.
I gave the hint to AMC that oru squadron will excuse ourselves from the "MPA trough" come 1 Nov because the 30 day at at time lease is not Reserve friendly and that our guys need more time to adjust so they can get back to their civilian careers. The active duty is feeling the pain because they are waiving pre and post mission crew rest.
The Old-Hat Reservists are all in agreement that this is unchartered territory. I guess this is the price for Obamacare..
We want to participate, but we simply can't if they don't pay us.
No Bucks, No Buck Rogers..
I gave the hint to AMC that oru squadron will excuse ourselves from the "MPA trough" come 1 Nov because the 30 day at at time lease is not Reserve friendly and that our guys need more time to adjust so they can get back to their civilian careers. The active duty is feeling the pain because they are waiving pre and post mission crew rest.
The Old-Hat Reservists are all in agreement that this is unchartered territory. I guess this is the price for Obamacare..
We want to participate, but we simply can't if they don't pay us.
No Bucks, No Buck Rogers..
10-20-2010, 05:41 PM
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I've said for years that the man-day trough is like crack cocaine for the active force. They keep wanting to cut it off because it looks like a big number that can easily be cut from the budget, but the reality is that they can't complete the mission without it. Hopefully they will figure it out again pretty quickly.
10-20-2010, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
I've said for years that the man-day trough is like crack cocaine for the active force. They keep wanting to cut it off because it looks like a big number that can easily be cut from the budget, but the reality is that they can't complete the mission without it. Hopefully they will figure it out again pretty quickly.
10-20-2010, 05:58 PM
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Yeah..hasn't been good since this all started late september. Last we heard is that our Reserve Wing is not going to play the "lets keep extending MPA days at a time". TACC is scrambling for sure. AD is hurting bad on the kc-10 side. Not sure what their plan is since they are already maxed out on AATS and are living non stop in the desert. We have been picking up the slack for the last few years with most of the squadron on LTMPA. Pretty rude awakening for sure. I know how valuable our ability is, but its starting to look like this is bigger than all of us!
10-20-2010, 06:51 PM
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I'm at a planning conference right now at Scott. What are the AMC guys saying? NO MONEY !!!
They've put the man day requests in and nothing has been funded. No word on if anything will be funded. A few units are operating with the expectation that they'll be paid. They are expecting an answer on the money situation near the end of October.
The guard side of the house is telling folks that they're not going to get annual tour this year. Those aren't my words, just passing along what was said at the conference from the guard representatives. Legally I don't think you can do that to a reservist. Maybe it is legal in the guard;however, it started an argument amongst those here on the legality of it all.
Grab the popcorn and beer ...
My unit was briefed this about 6 months ago from someone at AFRC. And using his words not mine, the USAF is using the fit-to-fight program as an informal RIF. Instead of having the O administration announcing military job losses, they'll be able to say they "didn't meet standards."
They've put the man day requests in and nothing has been funded. No word on if anything will be funded. A few units are operating with the expectation that they'll be paid. They are expecting an answer on the money situation near the end of October.
The guard side of the house is telling folks that they're not going to get annual tour this year. Those aren't my words, just passing along what was said at the conference from the guard representatives. Legally I don't think you can do that to a reservist. Maybe it is legal in the guard;however, it started an argument amongst those here on the legality of it all.
Grab the popcorn and beer ...
My unit was briefed this about 6 months ago from someone at AFRC. And using his words not mine, the USAF is using the fit-to-fight program as an informal RIF. Instead of having the O administration announcing military job losses, they'll be able to say they "didn't meet standards."
10-20-2010, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
I'm at a planning conference right now at Scott. What are the AMC guys saying? NO MONEY !!!
They've put the man day requests in and nothing has been funded. No word on if anything will be funded. A few units are operating with the expectation that they'll be paid. They are expecting an answer on the money situation near the end of October.
The guard side of the house is telling folks that they're not going to get annual tour this year. Those aren't my words, just passing along what was said at the conference from the guard representatives. Legally I don't think you can do that to a reservist. Maybe it is legal in the guard;however, it started an argument amongst those here on the legality of it all.
Grab the popcorn and beer ...
My unit was briefed this about 6 months ago from someone at AFRC. And using his words not mine, the USAF is using the fit-to-fight program as an informal RIF. Instead of having the O administration announcing military job losses, they'll be able to say they "didn't meet standards."
They've put the man day requests in and nothing has been funded. No word on if anything will be funded. A few units are operating with the expectation that they'll be paid. They are expecting an answer on the money situation near the end of October.
The guard side of the house is telling folks that they're not going to get annual tour this year. Those aren't my words, just passing along what was said at the conference from the guard representatives. Legally I don't think you can do that to a reservist. Maybe it is legal in the guard;however, it started an argument amongst those here on the legality of it all.
Grab the popcorn and beer ...
My unit was briefed this about 6 months ago from someone at AFRC. And using his words not mine, the USAF is using the fit-to-fight program as an informal RIF. Instead of having the O administration announcing military job losses, they'll be able to say they "didn't meet standards."
10-20-2010, 07:26 PM
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Reserve C-130 units are being told that we will not do JA/ATTs if the MPA funding does not come through. We also have some long term MPA and the funding is only set through the end of October.
In 20+ years this is the strangest that I have seen it. We are clamping down on AT to make sure guys have it available for events later this year. Our leadership seems to think the money will come through this year but next year is going to be worse.
For a lot of the "new" guys, post 2001, the gravy train has been pretty good. They have always had long term MPA and now are being told to not expect orders of that nature in the future. Guys are hitting the pavement looking for civilian jobs.
Since 2003 the ARC has been the crack cocaine to the AD. The detox for the AD is going to be painful.
As for f2f being a manning tool...well I have been to the gym a lot more often now.
In 20+ years this is the strangest that I have seen it. We are clamping down on AT to make sure guys have it available for events later this year. Our leadership seems to think the money will come through this year but next year is going to be worse.
For a lot of the "new" guys, post 2001, the gravy train has been pretty good. They have always had long term MPA and now are being told to not expect orders of that nature in the future. Guys are hitting the pavement looking for civilian jobs.
Since 2003 the ARC has been the crack cocaine to the AD. The detox for the AD is going to be painful.
As for f2f being a manning tool...well I have been to the gym a lot more often now.
10-20-2010, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by caddis
Reserve C-130 units are being told that we will not do JA/ATTs if the MPA funding does not come through. We also have some long term MPA and the funding is only set through the end of October.
In 20+ years this is the strangest that I have seen it. We are clamping down on AT to make sure guys have it available for events later this year. Our leadership seems to think the money will come through this year but next year is going to be worse.
For a lot of the "new" guys, post 2001, the gravy train has been pretty good. They have always had long term MPA and now are being told to not expect orders of that nature in the future. Guys are hitting the pavement looking for civilian jobs.
Since 2003 the ARC has been the crack cocaine to the AD. The detox for the AD is going to be painful.
As for f2f being a manning tool...well I have been to the gym a lot more often now.
In 20+ years this is the strangest that I have seen it. We are clamping down on AT to make sure guys have it available for events later this year. Our leadership seems to think the money will come through this year but next year is going to be worse.
For a lot of the "new" guys, post 2001, the gravy train has been pretty good. They have always had long term MPA and now are being told to not expect orders of that nature in the future. Guys are hitting the pavement looking for civilian jobs.
Since 2003 the ARC has been the crack cocaine to the AD. The detox for the AD is going to be painful.
As for f2f being a manning tool...well I have been to the gym a lot more often now.
10-24-2010, 02:33 PM
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I was wondering the same thing about hiring being affected by a possible mass return of Mil leave pilots, now that it looks like MPA days have dried up. Its rumored McChord will get orders until the end of the year, and thats it. It was bound to happen at some point.
KC10 - Funny you should mention that about the PT test. A lot of folks are under the impression that the AF didn't realize how many people they would lose with the new PT standards and regulated testing. There was an article in the AF times about a year ago regarding the new PT test, and they had a really good idea what the percentage loss was going to be in my opinion.
BTW, I dont know about other Air Lines, but Delta has been great and easy to work with while on Mil leave. Thats pretty cool.
KC10 - Funny you should mention that about the PT test. A lot of folks are under the impression that the AF didn't realize how many people they would lose with the new PT standards and regulated testing. There was an article in the AF times about a year ago regarding the new PT test, and they had a really good idea what the percentage loss was going to be in my opinion.
BTW, I dont know about other Air Lines, but Delta has been great and easy to work with while on Mil leave. Thats pretty cool.
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