Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Major (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/)
-   -   Southwest: This is funny(lost Nav LAX) (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/54395-southwest-funny-lost-nav-lax.html)

Rabid Seagull 10-27-2010 05:49 AM

Southwest: This is funny(lost Nav LAX)
 
Whatever it takes it get in the front of the line:)
------------------------

LOS ANGELES — A Southwest Airlines jet lost its navigation system as it approached Los Angeles International Airport last week, forcing air traffic controllers to redirect several flights to clear the airspace as they guided the aircraft to a safe landing, a union representative said Tuesday.
The Federal Aviation Administration issued a statement saying only that it was investigating the flight and that controllers handled the situation professionally.
The Boeing 737 carrying 92 passengers and crew members was coming from San Jose when the navigation system failed around noon on Oct. 20, causing the jet to lose its positioning amid the clouds, said Ron Geyer, union representative for air traffic controllers at the facility that handles planes approaching and leaving Southern California airports.
"The weather was bad. The pilot had no visuals until he was below the clouds," Geyer said.
Geyer said controllers scrambled to redirect several flights so they could clear airspace for the Southwest pilot to get through the clouds until he could see the airport. He said controllers almost never encounter such a scenario.
"It was such a rare occasion, yet there was no impact to the system except we had to turn some planes around to make sure nobody was in jeopardy in case the plane got off course," Geyer said.
A Southwest spokeswoman said the captain's instruments failed but the copilot's remained intact, and emphasized that the plane landed safely and nearly on time.

"An aircraft like this is set up with redundant systems," Ashley Dillon said. "There are backups to backups to backups."

She said the outage occurred because a circuit breaker was flipped on the aircraft. She could not say how common the problem is.
Najmedin Meshkati, a professor who studies aviation safety at the University of Southern California, said he has read few reports of such failures on airliners compared with more frequent incidents like runway incursions. But he said that simply could be because instrument problems are not made public.
"It may not come to the surface that me and you would get to know about it," Meshkati said.

shiftwork 10-27-2010 05:54 AM

Sounds normal to me???? air traffic controllers redirecting other airlines to clear the airspace for SWA to be number 1 at the marker;)

lolwut 10-27-2010 07:04 AM

So anyone have the "non-media" explaination of what happened here?

When it comes down to it, you should be able to fly around without affecting other traffic, on radar vectors, with an altimeter, airspeed indicator, and compass. Pretty bad situation if you don't have all of those, and I kind of doubt that was the case.

tsquared030 10-27-2010 08:12 AM

>>A Southwest spokeswoman said the captain's instruments failed but the copilot's remained intact, and emphasized that the plane landed safely and nearly on time.<<

It wasn't the instrument failure that was the emergency, it was that they were running late.


>>She said the outage occurred because a circuit breaker was flipped on the aircraft. She could not say how common the problem is.<<

Oh, I think we all know how common this is at SWA. ;-)

T

Shiek Yiboudi 10-27-2010 08:40 AM


She said the outage occurred because a circuit breaker was flipped on the aircraft. She could not say how common the problem is.
Well that explains it! I hate it when circuit breakers flip!

Boogie Nights 10-27-2010 03:15 PM

Here we go again
 
I hope this is not the start of another useless 39 page blog of SWA haters..

See" Does Southwest think this is funny"

shiftwork 10-27-2010 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by Boogie Nights (Post 891564)
I hope this is not the start of another useless 39 page blog of SWA haters..

See" Does Southwest think this is funny"

nay.... there are more LUV'ers then haters; besides, who has time to read 39pages of "blog"?????

IAHB756 10-27-2010 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by shiftwork (Post 891585)
nay.... there are more LUV'ers then haters; besides, who has time to read 39pages of "blog"?????


I don't know about that. SWA guys have been very arrogant lately and I think people are getting sick and tired of the purple speed bumps clogging the airways over the U.S. flying slower than the rest of the traffic. Got slowed WAY back the other night to allow a SWA flight put put into SEA and then he cut us off again on the ramp with his strobes on at night.... very annoying. If it was an isolated event, I wouldn't even mention it but, well, it wasn't.

Boogie Nights 10-27-2010 04:43 PM

And it begins!!!!
 

Originally Posted by IAHB756 (Post 891613)
I don't know about that. SWA guys have been very arrogant lately and I think people are getting sick and tired of the purple speed bumps clogging the airways over the U.S. flying slower than the rest of the traffic. Got slowed WAY back the other night to allow a SWA flight put put into SEA and then he cut us off again on the ramp with his strobes on at night.... very annoying. If it was an isolated event, I wouldn't even mention it but, well, it wasn't.

Let this tread die before it starts. As a profession is there nothing more interesting than weather you were cutoff by SWA? I know I have never made a mistake with the lights!!! I am so close to perfect my feet only just touch the ground :)

satchip 10-27-2010 04:46 PM

Only 92 passengers? Wow, you guys are slipping. That's only a 73% load factor!:D


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:11 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands