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SkyHigh 08-25-2006 06:58 AM

Try
 

Originally Posted by bubblemonkey (Post 55559)
SkyHigh, I have not been on this forum very long, but it seems that you have a dismal view of making a career in aviation. Why are all your posts so negative?

My premise is that the gold ring of having a traditional stable and fruitful career in aviation is becoming a thing of legend. Most will end up empty handed and in debt. My aim is to try and educate people of the negative side of a career in aviation. Try reading some of my posts over the past year or so.

SkyHigh

Indy refugee 08-25-2006 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 55566)
Your premise is that success in aviation relies solely upon effort. I say that luck and timing play a larger roll. Even a dedicated and talented real estate agent realises when it is time to hang it up. If the market is sour no amount of phone calls will make a difference. At some point it becomes sheer stupidity to carry on. In addition a Real Estate agent only has a 30 day training program on the line. A pilot has much more to loose.

SkyHigh

Actually, attitude more than effort. I've had several opportunities to 'hang it up', but I resisted. I've always been happy with my choice.

SkyHigh 08-25-2006 07:42 AM

Attitude
 

Originally Posted by Indy refugee (Post 55576)
Actually, attitude more than effort. I've had several opportunities to 'hang it up', but I resisted. I've always been happy with my choice.

A positive attitude can help a lot however it has its limits. As with everything in life at some point a rational decision must be made. Perhaps in time you will reflect back on your decision to stay as emotionally based and wish you had done something else?

SKyHigh

Hornet Pilot 08-25-2006 08:10 AM

So how about some negatives of being a pilot? The only consistent negative I see is the potential for job insecurity. The job itself seems great, although like any job there are things that some people don’t like. As for the job insecurity, I am sure that there are a lot of FEDEX/SWA guys out there who will tell you to not worry about it. Kind of makes you want to go work with them.

RedeyeAV8r 08-25-2006 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Hornet Pilot (Post 55590)
So how about some negatives of being a pilot? The only consistent negative I see is the potential for job insecurity. The job itself seems great, although like any job there are things that some people don’t like. As for the job insecurity, I am sure that there are a lot of FEDEX/SWA guys out there who will tell you to not worry about it. Kind of makes you want to go work with them.

Any FedEx or SWA or UPS pilot that tells you we are immune to Instability................is smokin crack.or at least they should be tested.

In the profesional Pilot Field..(Even in the Military)..........There is No job security.

They are all Great places to work..........and currently are the only Big boys hiring........well I forgot CAL.

At one time........Pan AM and TWA were the best places to work......Eastern too. Continental was the place in the early 70's...............that changed for over 20 years........but CAL is a good place again. United and Delta were the place in the Late 90's early 2000 (prior 9/11). It is all timing ( lots of luck)where you end up on the list when the down turn comes.

It is quite possible FedEx, UPS and SWA will all see stagnation and possible even negative growth at some point in the future. Always keep that in mind..............United, DAL and NWA will turn around and some time in the future be a good place to work again.

That being said, If being a Pilot is your dream........do not hesistate to send in an APP. When your on the Wave.......Ride it!! Good Luck

RedeyeAV8r 08-25-2006 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Hornet Pilot (Post 55590)
So how about some negatives of being a pilot? The only consistent negative I see is the potential for job insecurity. The job itself seems great, although like any job there are things that some people don’t like. As for the job insecurity, I am sure that there are a lot of FEDEX/SWA guys out there who will tell you to not worry about it. Kind of makes you want to go work with them.

Negatives of being a Pilot

1. You hit it Job security. Lay-offs, Bankruptcies, Mergers, out-sourcing and Contract Negotiations.

2. Time away from Home. You will spend 6 months per year (2-15 days at a time) away from your family. Better than 6 month or 1 year at a shot like the Military,

3. Commuting..........it sux but is often necessary.

4. Sleep deprivation. Night Freight Flying Sux for me anyway
Intl trips can be cool, but Sleep deprovation is bad.

5. Most former Military pilots were Leaders of some sort.
Some of them have trouble adjusting to the fact that Airline Pilots are "Blue Collar Workers" and are mere Pawns in the eyes of MGT.

Hornet Pilot 08-25-2006 09:01 AM

The Navy is great for job security in that you know that you are going to get a paycheck, and you company ain’t going to go bankrupt. That’s about it.
The time away from home is a killer. In the first 1½ years in my current squadron, we were away all but about 70 days of it. And the days we were home, we were working 12 hours a day to get ready for leaving.
You have very little say in where you live. You can put in a dream sheet where you want to go, and the Navy will send you where it needs you. Sometimes it works out.
Landing on a boat at night sucks.
I just don’t know if the constant paycheck is enough to make up for the negatives. There are a lot more negatives.
I am really leaning towards getting out, and working in the Guard, either as a full time or part time guy. If I need to get a job as an airline guy, I feel that I will be pretty competitive, assuming I can get some more contacts. Most of the folks I know are acquaintances, not really close friends. Is this enough for a recommendation?
My wife has a good job, and I can make money as an FA-18 sim instructor, and maybe a Navy Reservist if I need to. I am also researching Guard units that are hiring full time. Can't find many...

CVG767A 08-25-2006 12:08 PM

If you like driving airplanes, the airlines are a great way to go. While its not the exciting flying that you're accustomed to, you will get 80 hours a month, and won't have to sleep in a crappy rack at the end of the day. You'll work 4 days a week, rather than 6. And your ground job..oh yeah, you don't have one.

Job security can come in many forms: a reserve job, a side business, a wife with a career. A major airline schedule will give you enough free time and flexibility do something on the side. You may never need to fall back on plan B, but knowing that it's there brings peace of mind.

I enjoyed my time in the Navy ('81-'87), but it's only a slight exaggeration for me to say that my best day in the Navy and my worst day at Delta were about the same.

MikeB525 08-25-2006 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 55411)
RT,

Tell Hermack he's a big PE loser for me. :D Enjoy AMS and I hope you get a Business First seat for the deadhead.

Are you talking about Bob Hermack?? I met him once through Civil Air Patrol.

FPG120 08-26-2006 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by LoveToFly (Post 55278)
Flying in the majors is a goal of mine. I would love to fly large complex aircraft and get paid very well to do so with plenty of time off. I have heard though that there are a lot of negatives as well (furloughs, corporate greed, bankruptcy, job-insecurity). How many here have had good expeiences vs. negative experiences?

You are obviously very new to this forum....


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