Combined 2011 Hiring Info
 

Everyone, thought I'd start a thread where we can all combine what we know about hiring info at the majors for 2011. Any information is welcome, but please state if you're making a guess, heard a rumor, have substantiated information, etc. I'll post below what I understand the status to be, please update it with whatever additional details you may know... dates, numbers, when they'll be accepting applications, what they're looking for, etc.

Delta: Possible hiring early 2011. No idea how many.
USAirways: Possible hiring 2011. No idea how many.
United: No hiring for foreseeable future.
Continental: No hiring for foreseeable future.
American: No hiring for foreseeable future.
Southwest: ???
Fedex: ???
UPS: No hiring for foreseeable future.

I hope DL hires 1,500. Does that count? :)

SouthWest
 

SouthWest is currently hiring. Expected hiring to continue into 2011.

JetBlue: Yes. aprox 250 per year for next 4 years. About 1000 pilots as of now. Please read following disclaimer: "This is sublect to change"

I have been told by Fedex Corporate CP that they are hiring to fill the seats that are left from the flow-throughs going to the freight side. I'm assuming the hiring at FedEx Cargo will be done in 2011 since they are looking at hiring now on the corporate side of things. Don't know if that helps or not.

BTW..... Great Thread!

Fed Ex
 

FX site says they are not accepting new applications.

I heard from a senior CA @ SWA that they were going to hire 200 in 2011, but that 180 were already in the pool.

And the other 20 will be internal hires (sim instructors, etc). Best guess on off the street is for 2012. Not sure if that means hired late 2011 for a 2012 class but 2012 should be interesting.

MF

Is there anywhere that lists the projected retirements for all the majors in the upcoming years?

I've been out of the airline loop for a while so I have no idea where this is, or if the data has even been published.

I have several friends @ DAL that have told me that in something like 2017 there will be a lot of scheduled retirements for 5 years or so

The following numbers are just cut and pasted from a similar post.

Deltas numbers....
Year Age 65 Retirements
2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19

UAL Numbers.....
RETIREMENTS PER YEAR AT AGE 65
2012 - 263
2013 - 235
2014 - 231
2015 - 201
2016 - 167
2017 - 228
2018 - 246
2019 - 239
2020 - 271
2021 - 330
2022 - 305
2023 - 383
2024 - 356
2025 - 461
2026 - 508
2027 - 503
2028 - 574
2029 - 539
2030 - 561
2031 - 407

Unfortunately if nothing changes United wont even need to hire until about 2016 just to cover the guys out on furlough.

CAL numbers: calculated with senior list and birthdays.
2012 7
2013 183
2014 198
2015 186
2016 205
2017 210
2018 180
2019 194
2020 169
2021 188
2022 180
2023 187
2024 154
2025 156
2026 166
2027 167
2028 204
2029 154
2030 170
2031 119

American Airlines

- 12/31/2010 0
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 0
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 5
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 138
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 225
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 274
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 262
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 286
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 363
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 458
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 550
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 609
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 661
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 714
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 726
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 737
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 711
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 588
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 498
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 476

2009- 6
2010- 13
2011- 15
2012- 299
2013- 695
2014- 892
2015- 939
2016- 964
2017- 1110
2018- 1258
2019- 1449
2020- 1653
2021- 1957
2022- 2016
2023- 2108
2024- 2047
2025- 2081
2026- 2011
2027- 1780
2028- 1767
2029- 1654
2030- 1240
2031- 975

Total Pilots Retiring at CAL UAL DAL AMR ONLY by the end of 2031:
(age 65 taken into account until 2028)
28911

Spirit: 100 in 2011, accepting apps and interviewing now.

I looked online as well as saw the same thing. I did speak to the CP on the corporate side about 2 months ago and he said that he is being told that the line would be hiring in 2011 and that he was going to lose some guys to the line. He said that he would be hiring to fill those seats.

johnso29.......thanks for posting the info! maybe I should have done a little more research on here.

Thanks again!

Did they dump the pool? :confused:

No problem. :)

I don't know about that. I seriously doubt it though. I do know that once you have worked on the corporate side of things for 3 years that there is a flow through. I know that there were about 3 guys that were on the fence about making the jump last time around that decided to stay with corporate. After the drought of hiring I'm betting they don't take the chance again once the hiring starts. I had heard that there were at least 5 guys leaving to the freight side (not from the Corp CP though). He just said that he was going to lose some guys to Cargo (didn't specify how many).

I would not make any "predictions" on United until the contract is done.

Delta had 13 projected for 2010 and so far 183 have left. It won't be long until the hiring machine has to stay open full throttle for along time. They might hire then stop in 2011, but for 2012 and beyond they will have to keep the doors wide open.

I hope you are right!:D

At UPS we've OFFICIALLY stopped the furlough at 109 (originally planned 300 by the end of this year). The CP said all furloughed pilots would be back on the property by the end of 2013 counting for retirements ONLY.

Our scheduled are so tight, and our open time/JA ban so effective, I personally can't imagine faster recalls and some airline growth that would occur before December 2013. The implementation of the new FAA rest rules next year certainly won't call for less staffing either.

US Airways will be hiring somewhere around 30-35 first quarter 2011. There are 55 positions to fill out east, and the first 20 went to poolies and remaining furloughees who wanted E190 PHL. Expect the application window to open in January.

Things to come
 

The above numbers are encouraging; however there are many factors to consider when making a broad judgment on the future of hiring.

What you have to keep in mind first is that you will have to analyze the "recall" situation at AMR and UAL prior to their weight be thrown behind those retirement numbers. That sounds confusing but look at it like this:

AMR guys can "punch out" of their retirement with notice to the company and as it has been explained me by several AA mates, this gets more tempting either as the company grumbles bankruptcy (becoming more unlikely in the consolidation era) or the markets buoy the value of the investments in their plan.

On the UAL side (and industry as a whole for that matter), there are whole bunch of "seasoned" aviators (the kind who refuse a roller bag and whose hats look like they came off a B-17 pilot) who are downright tired of the hassle flying has become. Think about it, would you really want to be commuting (not that many of these guys do) or dealing with the present state of the industry at age 60+! It's hard enough as a wet behind the ears 20 or 30 something, or how about a twice furloughed 40 something with a ****ed of spouse? Face it, this is an emotionally draining profession!

My point is that if (big IF) UAL produces a decent equity or cash payout then quite a few of these 60+ folks I think will bail early and who the hell can blame them?

So the recall thing has to be solved before major "hiring" begins and that’s a lot of guys at AMR and UAL. Delta and US Air will undoubtedly hire earlier, so if that’s your thing then bang on that door, but it will be stiff competition and likely they have quasi pools already with guys bringing flowers and chocolates into the HR department for their mates waiting in the wings.

Another factor to consider is that budget cuts are coming to the US and we are trying to draw down two wars that have taken many of our military pilots back into service on furlough (or even before furlough on LOA). Many of these folks will be looking to come back, so the recall picture has to be solved before the hiring picture opens up widely.

FedEx and UPS will hire eventually but their hiring is even more tied to the global economic cycle than the passenger carriers, so besides minor trickles here and there you won’t see huge hiring there until the world economy really heats up again.

Sadly however, we must also consider the heinous efforts of terrorists to target airliners. These SOB's are hell bent on taking down aircraft, so that’s a major implication yet to be realized.

What really drives hiring at most air carriers is the hours they fly and the aircraft they take delivery of (if they don’t retire acft on the back side). I can GUARANTEE you the industry as a whole is just loving the cash flow improvements they are seeing through consolidation and will only add minimal hours/aircraft in order to hold together the "cartel" effect consolidation is loosely creating. Eventually someone will break, but for now "capacity discipline" is hammered on the wall of most CEO's offices. This has never been good for hiring, but expansion will come with more economic certainty, probably in 2013 onwards.

The retirements are coming and the hiring is beginning slowly, but it will be initially in fits and starts rather than a sudden smooth and predictable exodus of older pilots. It's going to be frustrating for the next few years and if I was single or had a family who was game, I would head overseas and make some money if you can. Waiting around the US is going to be maddening for awhile, so don't beat your head against the wall here if you have the opportunity to do flying elsewhere or improve your future through learning other talents.

Anyone care to share what they think the future holds for Hawaiian Airlines hiring?

Rumor 1: Delta will hire 800 new pilots in 2011

Rumor 2: Delta will buy Hawaiian Airlines (or maybe Alaska ...)

That would be great if they did 800 next year. Here's wishing it happens, however I've heard and read repeatedly that it's 300 a year for now.

I'd think due to size DAL and UAL are out of the consolidation picture for awhile. I think USAir needs to make a survival play out west and AA is considering it but would love to shed that pension first or opt out new hires too it in exchange for better contracts.

I see Republic or VA making a play for Spirit. Not sure on the VA legality on that though.