Alaska Air to Hawaii??
08-25-2006, 02:49 PM
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Alaska Air to Hawaii??
This is some great news! I hope they are granted approval 
Alaska Airlines to Hawaii?
Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle) - 2:43 PM PDT Friday
Alaska Airlines is working to receive Federal Aviation Administration approval to fly extended flights over water -- approval that could possibly lead to the Seattle-based carrier adding flights to Hawaii and Central America.
Alaska flight crews recently passed a demonstration "partial-ditching drill" for the FAA that simulated an emergency landing in the Pacific Ocean, according to the airline's Web site for employees. The drill was carried out in an Alaska maintenance hangar in Seattle in front of 10 FAA inspectors.
Alaska, a division of Alaska Air Group Inc. (NYSE: ALK) will have to demonstrate to the FAA that it can fly over large bodies of water and receive "Extended Over Water" approval. Without the approval, planes must stay within 50 miles of a shoreline.
The airline also will need "Extended Twin-Engine Operations (ETOPS)" certification, which allows twin-engine planes like Alaska Air's 737-800 models to be up to three hours away from an airport over water. The airline is "on schedule to meet ETOPS requirements by February 2007," according to its Web site.
With the approval, Alaska could take a more direct route to Cancun, Mexico, which is currently one of the airline's destinations. But the approval could also allow the airline to apply for flights to Hawaii and Central America, according to the Web site. Those destinations are not currently served by the airline.
Alaska Airlines to Hawaii?
Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle) - 2:43 PM PDT Friday
Alaska Airlines is working to receive Federal Aviation Administration approval to fly extended flights over water -- approval that could possibly lead to the Seattle-based carrier adding flights to Hawaii and Central America.
Alaska flight crews recently passed a demonstration "partial-ditching drill" for the FAA that simulated an emergency landing in the Pacific Ocean, according to the airline's Web site for employees. The drill was carried out in an Alaska maintenance hangar in Seattle in front of 10 FAA inspectors.
Alaska, a division of Alaska Air Group Inc. (NYSE: ALK) will have to demonstrate to the FAA that it can fly over large bodies of water and receive "Extended Over Water" approval. Without the approval, planes must stay within 50 miles of a shoreline.
The airline also will need "Extended Twin-Engine Operations (ETOPS)" certification, which allows twin-engine planes like Alaska Air's 737-800 models to be up to three hours away from an airport over water. The airline is "on schedule to meet ETOPS requirements by February 2007," according to its Web site.
With the approval, Alaska could take a more direct route to Cancun, Mexico, which is currently one of the airline's destinations. But the approval could also allow the airline to apply for flights to Hawaii and Central America, according to the Web site. Those destinations are not currently served by the airline.
08-25-2006, 03:21 PM
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NO WAY NO DAY,
Alaska will not go to Hawaii. They could never hold up aginst NWA,UAL, and HAL out of Seattle. They all have great prices and larger airplanes. Not to mention that ALK already has a code shair with NWA to go to Hawaii. Aloha tried to do this out of Vancover and had to fly to Orange to get more fuel when the jet stream dips down. The ETOPS has nothing to do with Hawaii in this case.
Alaska will not go to Hawaii. They could never hold up aginst NWA,UAL, and HAL out of Seattle. They all have great prices and larger airplanes. Not to mention that ALK already has a code shair with NWA to go to Hawaii. Aloha tried to do this out of Vancover and had to fly to Orange to get more fuel when the jet stream dips down. The ETOPS has nothing to do with Hawaii in this case.
08-26-2006, 07:46 AM
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Yes, Alaska Airlines can and probably will fly from Anchorage to Hawaii. This is a very popular route - it has no been flown regularly for a few years. Western flew it with DC-10s back in the 1970's and 1980's. The 737 is the right size airplane with which to fly the route. Aloha is doing quite well with 737s on the west coast to Hawaii runs. The 737 is also quite adequate for the route - there is no need to stop en route, or stop in Orange County (which is further from Hawaii than Vancouver). I think it is quite likely that Alaska will fly this route - especially since that is what the article says is their intention!
08-26-2006, 09:09 AM
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We hear rumors all the time about this route; ANC to Hawaii and maybe SEA also. Some say one of the compelling reasons is to have people burn up those frequent flyer miles. They are carried on the books as a liability (Alaska's never expire). I remember America West tired the same thing about 20 years ago with a 747. Apparently that did not work out.
The 737-800 is a fine aircraft. It should work well on ETOPS. One interesting thing about 737 ETOPS is that operators like Aloha have to keep the APU on the whole time they are in the ETOPS range. Can any of you Aloha guys confirm this?
The 737-800 is a fine aircraft. It should work well on ETOPS. One interesting thing about 737 ETOPS is that operators like Aloha have to keep the APU on the whole time they are in the ETOPS range. Can any of you Aloha guys confirm this?
08-28-2006, 12:10 PM
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I can definitely see alaska flying an ANC-HNL route since there wouldn't be much competition up there since HAL only flies it as a charter. SEA-HNL would be a dumb business plan since as stated, NWA, UAL and HAL all already have 767's or larger flying those routes. What about PDX-HNL or GEG?
08-28-2006, 12:41 PM
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WJA and ACA fly Vancouver to Honolulu and Maui. Plus NWA, UAL and HAL already have the Seattle market.
I could see ASA doing ANC-HNL and maybe even PDX.
Also, wouldn't they use the 737-700s as they've got better range for ANC to HNL?
I could see ASA doing ANC-HNL and maybe even PDX.
Also, wouldn't they use the 737-700s as they've got better range for ANC to HNL?
08-30-2006, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mike734
We hear rumors all the time about this route; ANC to Hawaii and maybe SEA also. I remember America West tired the same thing about 20 years ago with a 747. Apparently that did not work out.
One interesting thing about 737 ETOPS is that operators like Aloha have to keep the APU on the whole time they are in the ETOPS range. Can any of you Aloha guys confirm this?
One interesting thing about 737 ETOPS is that operators like Aloha have to keep the APU on the whole time they are in the ETOPS range. Can any of you Aloha guys confirm this?
No need for APU running on 757 ETOPS routes.
08-30-2006, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by mike734
I remember America West tired the same thing about 20 years ago with a 747. Apparently that did not work out.
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