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NuGuy 12-12-2010 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 915119)
I'm not trying to flame here at all, but I think that the way the Air Tran SLI goes is going to determine the future of ALPA.

Agreed. What will be more interesting to see is when relative seniority is the rulling, what happens then.

Nu

ftrplt18e 12-13-2010 05:34 AM

I try not to post too often here, but I would like to set the record straight. I have read every union reps postings, every forum thread and every article in our Union rag, and in NO WAY does anyone think we are going to get around AM or BM. Nobody at SWA actually believes there will be a true staple(although there are some that want it).

So hearing from an "acquaintence" that we are expecting this is a load of *******. Just cause your "buddy" may want something, doesn't mean anyone else thinks that way.

satchip 12-13-2010 07:45 AM

Just passing along what he told me. He said it all depends on how the purchase agreement was written. Something about buying just the holding company and not the airline. I told him it was futile to believe that and to look at our merger, that will be the model. Just an anecdote, not evidence of a movement.

mastercraft 12-13-2010 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 915239)
Agreed. What will be more interesting to see is when relative seniority is the rulling, what happens then.

Nu

What a naive way of thinking. Following the letter of the legislation, the standard is "fair and equitable". If you think the only method that fits that standard is relative, why wouldn't the legislation say "relative"?

The legislation specifically allows for the reality that each scenario will be different and no single standard can be applied for every case.

Relative is a pipe dream. Even date of hire is a windfall at the expense of the SWA pilots.

Fishfreighter 12-13-2010 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by Coto Pilot (Post 915039)
It sounded to me like the two most important words were "career expectations".

Career expectations are a non-starter in the LUV/AAI discussions no matter how much LUV pilots want them to be. In the case of Shuttle America, you had an airline whose life expectancy was measured in days.

Not so with AAI.

mastercraft 12-13-2010 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 915523)
Just passing along what he told me. He said it all depends on how the purchase agreement was written. Something about buying just the holding company and not the airline. I told him it was futile to believe that and to look at our merger, that will be the model. Just an anecdote, not evidence of a movement.

To clarify the misconception here...Guadalupe Holdings will be merged with Airtran Holdings, which will create a wholly-owned subsidiary of Southwest Airlines. If Southwest choses to operate this new company as a wholly-owned, and SWAPA agrees to waive the 24-month limit on this scenario, there is nothing requiring any SLI as Bond-McCaskill would not apply.

While this is not ideal for anybody, its an excellent way to ensure the Airtran pilots' "landgrab" mentality doesn't fracture the culture that has allowed SWA to enjoy its success for so many years.

The bottom line is this- Play nice and everyone wins. Enjoy the lottery!!

Sink r8 12-13-2010 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 915119)
I'm not trying to flame here at all, but I think that the way the Air Tran SLI goes is going to determine the future of ALPA.

What's your reasoning? In my mind, this looks more like a test of Bond-McCaskill than a test of ALPA.

pilotrob23 12-13-2010 08:14 AM

and since when was politics and business fair? I learned they werent in 6th grade when i lost the student council election! I should have used more posters and had better jock support... wait.

Sink r8 12-13-2010 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by mastercraft (Post 915539)
To clarify the misconception here...Guadalupe Holdings will be merged with Airtran Holdings, which will create a wholly-owned subsidiary of Southwest Airlines. If Southwest choses to operate this new company as a wholly-owned, and SWAPA agrees to waive the 24-month limit on this scenario, there is nothing requiring any SLI as Bond-McCaskill would not apply.

While this is not ideal for anybody, its an excellent way to ensure the Airtran pilots' "landgrab" mentality doesn't fracture the culture that has allowed SWA to enjoy its success for so many years.

The bottom line is this- Play nice and everyone wins. Enjoy the lottery!!

Advanced flame-baiting.

JumpCaptain 12-13-2010 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by mastercraft (Post 915539)
...the culture that has allowed SWA to enjoy its success for so many years.

Lol! The "culture" of buying cheap gas!?


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