787's serious problems ... Boeing's in a hole
03-21-2011, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Yup, it was the Detroit unions that came up with the Pacer/Pinto/Hornet/Gremlin etc., and built products that got 12 mpg when gas prices doubled. Those were highly reliable products, too, .
03-21-2011, 08:18 AM
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Yup, it was the Detroit unions that came up with the Pacer/Pinto/Hornet/Gremlin etc., and built products that got 12 mpg when gas prices doubled. Those were highly reliable products, too, as they had one third the warranty of those (union made) imports.
He calls in the engineers to design this stinky POS. The engineers design it, the union guys build it. The company suffers because the customer soon figures out what a rotten POS the product really is. The company takes a huge hit the CEO is handed a "Production" bonus because sales were up briefly in the first quarter. The CEO and the boards then claim they are being bled dry by the unions because sales are down and ask for concessions.
That's a lot closer to the truth.
03-21-2011, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Oh my Lord. Slow and Carl agreeing and working on the same team.
Pay attention folks, you don't see this very often. Is there some sort of weird full moon out or something?
Pay attention folks, you don't see this very often. Is there some sort of weird full moon out or something?
Next thing you know, the French will be attacking Libya!
Carl
03-21-2011, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Well, if Boeing were getting $1Billion per copy for a 787 I'm sure they would have come in on time and spec.
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03-21-2011, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
REALLY? On this planet it goes more like this. Some greedy CEO wants to use brand recognition to put a sub par cheap product out on the market and increase his short term sales numbers.
He calls in the engineers to design this stinky POS. The engineers design it, the union guys build it. The company suffers because the customer soon figures out what a rotten POS the product really is. The company takes a huge hit the CEO is handed a "Production" bonus because sales were up briefly in the first quarter. The CEO and the boards then claim they are being bled dry by the unions because sales are down and ask for concessions.
That's a lot closer to the truth.
He calls in the engineers to design this stinky POS. The engineers design it, the union guys build it. The company suffers because the customer soon figures out what a rotten POS the product really is. The company takes a huge hit the CEO is handed a "Production" bonus because sales were up briefly in the first quarter. The CEO and the boards then claim they are being bled dry by the unions because sales are down and ask for concessions.
That's a lot closer to the truth.
03-21-2011, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I've heard they already started on the 797, it looks like this:
that's not a 79-anything, Look at the brow windows. that's a 737 with a round engine cowl. Look at that old wing design. the 797 will have a supercritical wing form, longer wings and swept back winglets,a wider cockpit like the 757 and far larger windows raked farther backwards for better aerodynamics. I'll bet something like the bombardier challenger.
03-21-2011, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by strfyr51
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that's not a 79-anything, Look at the brow windows. that's a 737 with a round engine cowl. Look at that old wing design. the 797 will have a supercritical wing form, longer wings and swept back winglets,a wider cockpit like the 757 and far larger windows raked farther backwards for better aerodynamics. I'll bet something like the bombardier challenger.
that's not a 79-anything, Look at the brow windows. that's a 737 with a round engine cowl. Look at that old wing design. the 797 will have a supercritical wing form, longer wings and swept back winglets,a wider cockpit like the 757 and far larger windows raked farther backwards for better aerodynamics. I'll bet something like the bombardier challenger.
Someone missed sarcasm 101.
03-21-2011, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I think you missed the subtle irony in slowplay's original post. He knows it wasn't the workers fault, it was bad management. You both are saying the same thing.
Unfortunately the result is the same, Lousy leadership? Blame the Unions!
Lousy Design? Blame the Unions! Bad marketing?? again, Blame the Unions.
But! Lousy economy? Blame the Unions! Let the product have all the same in success?? It's wonderful MANAGEMENT!! Isn't that more how it goes ?? I see dimwits here and on many other boards always talking about Union goys making "too much" well why not ask those Air France Pilots or American Airlines pilots who had to fly after their airlines lost airplanes and SEE if they thought that too much Money was the problem?? Because I NEVER thought any pilot who flew ME where I was going safely ever made TOO MUCH money. When I land in the same comfort I took OFF in? God bless them! They couldn't make ENOUGH to suit me! Excellence SHOULD be paid a premium!
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