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QuietSpike 12-21-2010 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 919337)
What DoD aircraft are powered by RR? Just curious.


Not just aircraft-- a lot of naval vessels-- ships, subs, etc.

But, the AV8B comes to mind. RR Pegasus engine.

:)

USMCFLYR 12-21-2010 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 919337)
What DoD aircraft are powered by RR? Just curious.

I'm pretty sure that the AV-8B is powered by a RR engine, but that is the only USN/USMC tactical aircraft that I can think of. I think the newest model of the KC-130s for the USMC also use RR engines. It seems that GE is the preferred engine manufacturer overall, but that is just an observation. I certainly don't know the type of every engine in use.

USMCFLYR

EWRflyr 12-21-2010 06:19 AM

So in the long run, it will cost Boeing more in cost overruns and fixes than it would have spent had it just kept the manufacturing process in house with its unionized workers.

I love the irony.

Lambourne 12-21-2010 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 919150)


If the L1011 was the Tri-tanic? Does that mean the B787 will be the Bi-tanic?

alvrb211 12-21-2010 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 919343)
I think the AV-8 Harrier is powered by a Rolls Royce (Pegasus?).

That's correct. The RR lift module is the only one of it's kind in the world so all Harriers in service are RR powered.


JJ

alvrb211 12-21-2010 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 919379)
If the L1011 was the Tri-tanic? Does that mean the B787 will be the Bi-tanic?


I think Boeing will pull through. I don't think Boeing, Airbus, GE, or RR are in for an easy ride especially when it comes to next gen aircraft.


It's difficult to name any iconic engineering firm that hasn't had major issues at some point.



JJ

forgot to bid 12-21-2010 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by QuietSpike (Post 919327)
The AE engine on the ERJ is Rolls Royce, Allison is owned by RR. That is like saying the 747's in DAL fleet aren't really Delta. They are now!
-spike

AE3007- GMA (General Motors Allison) went ahead alone to produce a turbofan initially known as the GMA 3007. With the formation of Allison Engines this became the AE 3007.The first AE 3007 went on test in July 1991. Additional development during 1992 included full altitude calibration, acoustic tests, initial endurance testing, and initiation of flight testing on a Cessna Citation VII prototype flying test bed, which first flew on 21 August 1992. The first (AE 3007A) version was certificated in 1995, and when Allison Engines was bought by Rolls-Royce later in that year the AE 3007 programme was continued.

Source: Rolls-Royce AE 3007 (United States) - Jane's Aero-Engines

My point was that some may want to call the V2500 engines on the 90 as RR, but it's no more RR than PW. I wouldn't call the V2500 a real RR engine anymore than I would call the 3007 a real RR designed engine. I threw the AE3007 in just as a reminder to some that the name on the side is not always the designer.

I say that going back to my point earlier which was, according to some engine folks, RR's compressor sections of their engines are designed in such a way as to not be as reliable. The engine failure on the 380 was not a surprise. That's the problem.


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 919370)
So in the long run, it will cost Boeing more in cost overruns and fixes than it would have spent had it just kept the manufacturing process in house with its unionized workers.

I love the irony.

1 word, Charleston. They came to that ploy late, had they done that earlier it may have achieved their desired pressure on IAM751 but instead they've ruined their supply chain and manufacturing quality. Boeing is inept right now. I think Delta referred to them as a ship without a rudder a few months ago. That's buried in the L&G thread somewhere.

slowplay 12-21-2010 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 919397)
That's correct. The RR lift module is the only one of it's kind in the world so all Harriers in service are RR powered.


JJ

As I recall, the US Harrier purchase was an industrial offset to the British purchase of the US Trident missile system. I note that the Harrier replacement is to be powered by a Pratt and Whitney engine (F-135).

forgot to bid 12-21-2010 07:13 AM

Back to the 787, makes you wonder if they should've just tried some of their 787 systems out on the 748 first or even an upgraded 763. If it worked run with a 787 later.

If they wanted to be revolutionary they could've turned that RC flying wing into something real using conventional systems but allowing the wing to win the efficiency instead of pushing unconventional technologies, supply chain processes and manufacturing to their limits and putting it all into a conventional design made out of plastic. Unconventional stuff in a conventional looking design or vice versa?

http://mili.co.kr/aircraft/us/X-Plan...img/x48b_1.jpg

forgot to bid 12-21-2010 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 919379)
If the L1011 was the Tri-tanic? Does that mean the B787 will be the Bi-tanic?

how about something tacky, like Sparky?

http://www.briancuban.com/wp-content...tric-chair.jpg

:D Someone I'm sure is not going to find that funny.


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