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CANAM 01-24-2011 03:13 PM

Multi-Crew Ratings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I just started doing some research on the Multi-Crew Pilot Ratings that many countries are either already doing, researching or implementing. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I see this as a serious threat to our industry and careers.

In short, this "license" takes people with zero flight experience and trains them over 15 months to fly as First Officers in large jet aircraft in a multi-crew environment. The process is done almost entirely in a variety of flight simulators.

My fear is that this will fill any potential shortage of pilots with relatively cheap and completely inexperienced people very very quickly. Becoming a qualified airline applicant takes time and dedication. This "license" requires neither and makes the "easy of entry" into the right seat very easy, thus flooding the market with cheap labor.

Where do ALPA and other unions stand on this issue? I don't know. This could do more damage than the regional jet and bring SJS to a whole new level. This needs to be addressed and eliminated right now.
THERE WILL NEVER BE A SHORTAGE OF CANDIDATES FOR WELL PAYING JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll leave you with this: Here's a newly minted class for FlyBe in the U.K.. Are you scared yet? SJS to the max, but with zero experience.
http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/g...x?ItemID=36061

forgot to bid 01-24-2011 03:32 PM

AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry, the thread title got me excited, not sure about what though there was just so many exclamation marks I had to come running. So let me go read it now...

CANAM 01-24-2011 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 935345)
AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry, the thread title got me excited, not sure about what though there was just so many exclamation marks I had to come running. So let me go read it now...

At least I got your attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AKASHA 01-24-2011 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 935332)
My fear is that this will fill any potential shortage of pilots with relatively cheap and completely inexperienced people very very quickly.

Hasn't this already been happening? Isn't that what the 1500 hr minimum is all about? Getting more experienced pilots into the cockpits? Aren't fresh pilots already accepting airline jobs at ridiculously low wages?

80ktsClamp 01-24-2011 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by canam (Post 935350)
at least i got your attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



you got my attention!!!!!1111!!!11!!!!!

forgot to bid 01-24-2011 03:54 PM

every airline I've ever been at did most of its training in sims. Smart idea.

forgot to bid 01-24-2011 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 935361)
you got my attention!!!!!1111!!!11!!!!!

cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CANAM 01-24-2011 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by AKASHA (Post 935356)
Hasn't this already been happening? Isn't that what the 1500 hr minimum is all about? Getting more experienced pilots into the cockpits? Aren't fresh pilots already accepting airline jobs at ridiculously low wages?

No, this is not happening in the US. The multi-crew license pilots have no private, commercial or ATP license. They are trained specifially to fly a particular type.
The only people pushing this are the airlines' management (duh!), Boeing and Airbus (to ensure no disruption in deliveries to overseas carriers)

CANAM 01-24-2011 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 935363)
every airline I've ever been at did most of its training in sims. Smart idea.

Dude, these pilots will do almost ALL of thier flying in a sim. Not even a private license required. If you think this is a smart idea, there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.

johnso29 01-24-2011 04:08 PM

This isn't new. It's been happening for years, & yes it's something we must fight. This is how other countries have been overcoming their shortages for years. ALPA has addressed this issue in the past, & knows it's a threat.


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