Lambourne

And this guy thinks Chuck is a nice guy too. Your mileage may vary.

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wireman

I've flown with Capt. Rood on more than one occasion. Good man. I Hope it all works out well for him.

Carl Spackler

Never called you a SCAB. Never. If this is an example of your attention to detail, well...

Your previous posts mentioned quite often that this captain was part of a desire for an independent union, and how ironic this was. I stand by my statement that your biggest problem with this captain is that he wanted out of ALPA.

I would only be guessing as to their motivations.

What I DIDN'T do was cave in to what was being demanded of me. One time was to allow boarding on a hot day with no APU and no Ground Air Conditioning cart available. I DIDN'T do that. Another was wanting me to depart 40 meals short of actual pax count. I DIDN'T do that. That sort of stuff.

Any other questions?

Carl

Carl Spackler

Good job Lambourne. Somebody says they think Rood is a nice guy, and you caution us about someone who has a relationship with Charles Manson?

Keep posting dude. You're continuing to show us all what a poor debater and a poor fact finder looks like.

Carl

Lambourne

The "you" was an encompassing "you" as in the other poster. But YOU wouldn't understand.



There are more than one thread on this forum. I have been pretty vocal in my disdain for the ALPA antics. Personally I think an in-house union would be better than ALPA national. The irony is that ALPA and all that is holy brought in the guy that was trying to oust them to work on the grievance committee.






You know what is odd, I know I and probably many other pilots at UAL have had those same issues. For some reason I have never had anyone come down to the cockpit to chat it over. This might be going out on a limb, but I wonder if it could have been in the difference with which you and I delivered the same message?


Good luck Carl. Enjoy your life.

L

Justdoinmyjob

It could also be the fact the Carl is a former NWA and current DAL pilot. Somehow I suspect that UAL management has different ways of operating from ours.

Captain Bligh

Three years ago all I read on APC was how much UAL pilots wanted out from under TIlton's oppressive management. The perception seemed to be, "if we only had CAL's management, we wouldn't be suffering all these turmoils and attacks on our QOL/pay etc..."

Allow me to reiterate, UAL's leadership was only chasing, a day late and a dollar short, what CAL management had unfortunately already extracted from labor. I think the difference was that Larry had most of the CAL pilots on the property convinced that the concessions were needed (at least 52% of them anyhow).

Don't forget CAL at the time had a large lump of retirements, a third of the seniority list comprised of strikebreakers, another third of young new hires naively happy to no longer be at the commuter, and the glorious promise of an 18 month path to the left seat. Throw in a cozy relationship between the front office and the union and you have the perfect environment for getting side letters, waiving every labor right ever conceived or previously provided for.

Looks like all of us "old school" thinkers might want to learn from Captain Rood's unfortunate conflict and come up with some "new school" tactics for dealing with this new "level of PROVOCATION".

APC225

The best summary yet of what is going on. This captain may be the canary in the coal mine for the UAL pilot group. They are just beginning to see what's been going on at CAL for a generation. There is no discussion with management. They make unilateral decisions and cut costs to make life so miserable the the employees start turning on each other. They want it that way.

On the one hand it is painful to watch as the scales fall of the eyes of the UAL pilots, for them to see what some CAL pilots have seen all along--how management has co-opted many pilots through pride ("you can save the company!") or fear ("concessions or you will be out of a job").

On the other hand, this enlightenment for UAL pilots can't come soon enough or in large enough numbers. If not enough get enlightened by the time the MECs send an inadequate JCBA hurriedly saying it's now or never, then the same thing will happen again. Some UAL pilots may join the shrinking minority of CAL pilots who need to save the company, while others might go along out of fear. Hope those pilots at CAL and UAL or outnumbered by the time the vote comes.

It could mean we lead the pilot profession out of it's own economic depression, or it could mean the next 10 years would be like the last 10 years. In which case, find the most senior seat you can hold even if it means significantly less pay, and just try to survive the abuse. If you're not senior enough to do this, well, I'm very sorry for you. Twelve days off, no day off is really off (lineholder or reserve), training on days off, total comm blackout. Hunker down.

Carl Spackler

Oh, I understand. Here's what you said (emphasis mine):

So it was an "encompassing you"? That's pretty funny. You must not be used to people actually paying attention to what you say.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Could be. After reading your posts and your desire to blame a pilot first, I imagine the only message you would send to anyone is one of complete surrender of your authority. I'll bet you're really well loved by the ground staff.

Carl