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Old 04-07-2011, 02:16 PM
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My question for you F9 guys is what does this mean for you? One certificate? Transition from one Certificate to the other by bid period or bid posting? If that is the case that definition may have far reaching implications?
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
My question for you F9 guys is what does this mean for you? One certificate? Transition from one Certificate to the other by bid period or bid posting? If that is the case that definition may have far reaching implications?
There will probably be no combination of certificates. Where it impacts us is that we were hired out of an RJ captain seat (in most cases) into the Airbus with the expectation of movement up to senior Airbus captain one day. Now, depending on what happens to the fleet, our expectation is somewhere between indefinite career stagnation while RAH pilots bypass us, to downgrade back to RJ captain or FO.

Alternatively, if Frontier were to grow in a similar fashion to what United did in the 90's, I have gone from expecting to retire as a moderately senior 747 captain with 80 pilots senior to me, to retiring as a reserve 777 captain with 600 pilots ahead of me.

But at least we're making money now. Oh...never mind.

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Old 04-07-2011, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH View Post
There will probably be no combination of certificates. Where it impacts us is that we were hired out of an RJ captain seat (in most cases) into the Airbus with the expectation of movement up to senior Airbus captain one day. Now, depending on what happens to the fleet, our expectation is somewhere between indefinite career stagnation while RAH pilots bypass us, to downgrade back to RJ captain or FO.

Alternatively, if Frontier were to grow in a similar fashion to what United did in the 90's, I have gone from expecting to retire as a 747 captain with 80 pilots senior to me, to retiring as a reserve 767 captain with 600 pilots ahead of me.

That is kind of what I assumed.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:41 PM
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This about sums up what the next 7 years + 60 days are going to be like. After that it will get really bad.



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Old 04-07-2011, 03:47 PM
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So with regards to SLI implementation, is it supposed to be 60 days from now or 60 days from a single representation unit? I've heard both. Or will it be longer than that?
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:04 PM
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60 days from nmb ruling
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:31 PM
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Doesn't this mean that Shuttle America is now a direct competitor of DAL?
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:38 PM
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Doesn't this mean that Shuttle America is now a direct competitor of DAL?
It's business 101: Outsource your work to your competition so as to fund their growth.

So I'd say replace "is now" with "has been" so as to say "Doesn't this mean that Shuttle America has been a direct competitor of DAL?"
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
It's business 101: Outsource your work to your competition so as to fund their growth.

So I'd say replace "is now" with "has been" so as to say "Doesn't this mean that Shuttle America has been a direct competitor of DAL?"
Yea. Dandy. I agree.

But...

Now its official.
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If I'm ALPA at Delta at least, I'm looking at challenging the the outsourcing to Republic with this announcement. Heck, especially at American with how Republic had to work around just fly a handful of E140's.
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