Re: RAH
#21
None of us start out as 747 captains. I started out as a happy new hire, and ended up furloughed and flat broke. Yet I still wouldn't work under any terms and especially not if it ruins my chosen profession. If you actually read what I've posted...you'd have known that.
Carl
Carl
#22
The mainline-regional pilot situation today is nothing more than a multi-headed monster wielding a lot of double edged swords.
We had a discussion about this on L&G., not every RJ pilot wants to be a lifer nor was every one of them hired when there were RJs around. Not every mainline pilot condoned scope erosion for pay or size-of-jet pride. Some RJ pilots want to be lifers, some mainline pilots would rather slit their wrist then flying a non-Boeing.
All of that said, RAH pilots can't scope themselves. Even if they could, someone would replace them before midnight. RAH and BB are going to do what is in their self interest and if that includes gaming the system on the whole multi-certificate stuff then more power to them for trying.
It's our job, as mainline pilots, to scope our flying and catch RAH/BB in violation of our scope. No hard feelings and really don't expect an apology either but it is what is in our self-interest and probably in the interest of a vast majority of pilots, including RAH pilots.
But will that mean these jets and the flying go back to mainline? Nope. But one avenue of circumventing the contract dies and that's the goal here for those who are in it for the long term and who don't want to work the fields but own the farm.
Unfortunately, that means fighting against BOD's who push for more outsourcing, unions who push for more outsourcing for political and financial gain and pilots who hope for more outsourcing or would sign off on it.
Join the Carl Spackler Political Action Committee, fight em' all.
We had a discussion about this on L&G., not every RJ pilot wants to be a lifer nor was every one of them hired when there were RJs around. Not every mainline pilot condoned scope erosion for pay or size-of-jet pride. Some RJ pilots want to be lifers, some mainline pilots would rather slit their wrist then flying a non-Boeing.
All of that said, RAH pilots can't scope themselves. Even if they could, someone would replace them before midnight. RAH and BB are going to do what is in their self interest and if that includes gaming the system on the whole multi-certificate stuff then more power to them for trying.
It's our job, as mainline pilots, to scope our flying and catch RAH/BB in violation of our scope. No hard feelings and really don't expect an apology either but it is what is in our self-interest and probably in the interest of a vast majority of pilots, including RAH pilots.
But will that mean these jets and the flying go back to mainline? Nope. But one avenue of circumventing the contract dies and that's the goal here for those who are in it for the long term and who don't want to work the fields but own the farm.
Unfortunately, that means fighting against BOD's who push for more outsourcing, unions who push for more outsourcing for political and financial gain and pilots who hope for more outsourcing or would sign off on it.
Join the Carl Spackler Political Action Committee, fight em' all.
#23
A 747 Captain that is involved on the low end scope fight. Something that is truly vital to have as everyone assumes that only new hires care about scope stuff, after they get senior or on the big equipment all they want is pay.
Good to have as many WB pilots we can get for such a fight and truth is, a lot are involved.
Good to have as many WB pilots we can get for such a fight and truth is, a lot are involved.
#24
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: E-170/175 FO
Posts: 165
None of us start out as 747 captains. I started out as a happy new hire, and ended up furloughed and flat broke. Yet I still wouldn't work under any terms and especially not if it ruins my chosen profession. If you actually read what I've posted...you'd have known that.
Carl
Carl
1: By working for a regional, you are running this profession into ruins.
2: It's better to feed your family by working anywhere else other than a regional. Can't get the corporate job, how about Taco Bell. Anywhere but a regional.
3: It's better to struggle, be hungry and possibly homeless than to take a job at a regional because god forbid you cause the major airline pilot guy his job.
Am I close?
#25
Just went to the Frontier website and looks like their hiring FO's.. but when you click on the link, you wind up applying at RAH... what's the deal, and more importantly, what's the pay?? lol
#26
This is illustrative of a HUGE problem for the pilot profession. "We have to do what we have to do to pay the bills..." Really? Even if it means your actions are shrinking the very companies that you hope to join one day? How do you justify your actions that keep food on your table, but require furloughs from the majors? Don't the food on THOSE guys tables count?
I had been furloughed 4 times by 1982 when American Airlines sent me a note to come and interview for a pilot slot under their all new "B scale." When I found out what a B scale meant, I turned down the interview. I REALLY needed the work, but I found a corporate job instead. If you're not prepared to do that, you're probably dooming yourself to be a regional lifer. But more importantly, your work is destroying a once proud profession by agreeing to work under any terms.
Even if it means furloughing a major guy whose flying you accepted as outsourced flying? Will you really do anything for money?
When you get a call from a major? Don't you see that your current actions are all but preventing that from ever happening?
Carl
I had been furloughed 4 times by 1982 when American Airlines sent me a note to come and interview for a pilot slot under their all new "B scale." When I found out what a B scale meant, I turned down the interview. I REALLY needed the work, but I found a corporate job instead. If you're not prepared to do that, you're probably dooming yourself to be a regional lifer. But more importantly, your work is destroying a once proud profession by agreeing to work under any terms.
Even if it means furloughing a major guy whose flying you accepted as outsourced flying? Will you really do anything for money?
When you get a call from a major? Don't you see that your current actions are all but preventing that from ever happening?
Carl
#27
Carl
#28
A 747 Captain that is involved on the low end scope fight. Something that is truly vital to have as everyone assumes that only new hires care about scope stuff, after they get senior or on the big equipment all they want is pay.
Good to have as many WB pilots we can get for such a fight and truth is, a lot are involved.
Good to have as many WB pilots we can get for such a fight and truth is, a lot are involved.
#29
You're just mad at me because I'm always turning the hose on you or trying to blow you up. Nothing personal.
Carl
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