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Old 04-20-2011, 07:09 AM
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DOT to airlines: No hidden fees

By Mike M. Ahlers and Jeanne Meserve, CNN
April 20, 2011 6:07 a.m. EDT


Washington (CNN) -- Call it the Airline Passenger Bill of Rights, Version 2.0.


The Department of Transportation issued a second set of rules Wednesday to address a litany of passenger gripes, including the bane of modern air travelers' existence: hidden fees for bags, meals, pillows and reservation changes.


The new rules, which will take effect in 120 days, require airlines to prominently disclose all fees and taxes on their websites. It also increases compensation for passengers who are involuntary bumped, limits "tarmac delays" for international flights to four hours and makes other pro-consumer changes.


"We're trying to look out after passengers who, in some instances, have been treated pretty shabbily," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said.
Passenger rights advocates, who lauded the proposed rule, are likely to be happy with the final rule.


"We are ecstatic about the job that the Department of Transportation is doing," said Kate Hanni of FlyersRights.org. "They have taken on airline passenger rights in a way that no other administration has. And this is really ground-breaking for airline passengers. The fact that they're passing meaningful regulations... is just a miracle."


Hanni said the changes exceed those made in the 2009 airline passenger rights rule, which was prompted by a flurry of lengthy tarmac delays that put a national spotlight on passenger discontent.
In a nutshell, the new rules:


-- Require full disclosure of additional fees. Airlines must prominently disclose all potential fees on their websites, including fees for baggage, meals, canceling or changing reservations, or advanced or upgraded seating. Airlines and ticket agents must refer passengers to baggage-fee information, and must include all government taxes and fees in every advertised price. Previously, taxes and fees were not required in the up-front fare quotes.


"We recognized that passengers are sick and tired of paying for fees that they didn't know they were going to be paying," Secretary LaHood said. "Now all fees will be disclosed on the airline websites. So if you have to pay for a bag, it will be disclosed. If you need a pillow, it will be disclosed if you have to pay for it, (same with) a blanket, food. All of these things and the taxes will all be disclosed," he said.


And soon to come: the DOT says it will propose that all fees be displayed at ticket counters and other points of sale.


-- Limit tarmac delays. Foreign airlines at U.S. airports, or U.S. airlines on international flights, must limit tarmac delays to four hours. The rule makes exceptions for safety, security or air traffic control-related reasons. But carriers must ensure that stuck passengers are provided adequate food and water after two hours, as well as working lavatories and any necessary medical treatment. An existing rule limits tarmac delays for domestic flights to three hours.


-- Require compensation for bag fees. Airlines must refund baggage fees if the bag is lost. Airlines already must compensate passengers for lost, damaged or delayed bags. But the new rule requires them to refund the bag fees, typically $25 a bag, if the bag is lost. Airlines will also must apply the same baggage allowances and fees for all segments of a trip.

"So if you check a bag, they charge you $25, they lose your bag, you get reimbursed," LaHood said.


Some 2 million bags were lost, damaged or delayed in 2010, a rate of 3.57 per 1,000 passengers, the Department of Transportation said.


-- Increase compensation for bumping. The rule doubles the possible compensation for passengers involuntarily bumped from an oversold flight. Currently, bumped passengers are entitled to compensation equal to the value of their tickets, up to $400, if the airline is able to get them to their destination within a short period of time, or up to $800 for lengthier delays.
Under the new rule, bumped passengers subject to short delays will receive up to $650, while those subject to longer delays would receive payments up to $1,300. Inflation adjustments will be every two years.


Some 65,000 passengers were involuntarily bumped in 2010, a rate of 1.09 per 10,000 passengers, the Department of Transportation said.


The final rule announced Wednesday is available at the regulations.gov website, docket DOT-OST-2010-0140.


DOT to airlines: No hidden fees - CNN.com
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Airlines do not hide their fees. Obviously fees have to be published to be collected. Airlines do hide the taxes.

My proposed solution: Make the government collect their own taxes. Make the government set up check points and collect terminal fees like they do every where else on the planet. Airlines should not have to fill the role of tax collector.

My guess is the result would be public recognition of the more efficient airports and the public shaming of those airports who over charge.
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Right on bro!

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Airlines do not hide their fees. Obviously fees have to be published to be collected. Airlines do hide the taxes.

My proposed solution: Make the government collect their own taxes. Make the government set up check points and collect terminal fees like they do every where else on the planet. Airlines should not have to fill the role of tax collector.

My guess is the result would be public recognition of the more efficient airports and the public shaming of those airports who over charge.
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Exactly! Websites should show "GOVT IMPOSED TAXES ....said amount.". See how that plays into it for the public. The DOT did this for voters not for the industry. FAA changes rest rules in a week. For the voters not the controllers. Time to go take a nap in the plane, I'm fatigued too. (I jest of course).
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How about a rule requiring an airline to prominently disclose the fact that the ticket the customer bought is not necessarily a ticket on that particular airline... and that the safety, reliability, and customer service may not be to the same standards? Or in other words, how about a rule to eliminate "bait and switch" in the airline industry?
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Oooh, Bar wouldn't that be fun. A Tax Collector Booth at the airport!!

It's funny, for historical purposes here only, but in new testament times the Jews (who did have tax collector booths) would say this: Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. Luke 15:1.

That's funny. Tax collectors were so bad they weren't even lumped in with sinners, they had their own category! Everyone who had done bad and THOSE GUYS!

Set up booths with mandatory periodic manning times by members of the U.S. Congress and Ray LaHood please. too rich.
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How about no more hidden taxes which account for 28% of the price, per Richard Anderson? Concur w/ BB and FlyByNuts.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
Oooh, Bar wouldn't that be fun. A Tax Collector Booth at the airport!!

It's funny, for historical purposes here only, but in new testament times the Jews (who did have tax collector booths) would say this: Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. Luke 15:1.

That's funny. Tax collectors were so bad they weren't even lumped in with sinners, they had their own category! Everyone who had done bad and THOSE GUYS!

Set up booths with mandatory periodic manning times by members of the U.S. Congress and Ray LaHood please. too rich.
Haha....you quoted the Bible on APC. That's a first for me. Mostly I see regs being thrown around, ex. Part 91 this, Part 121 that.

With all the new Government rules thrown on the Airlines the last decade, they should return to regulating the entire industry. It's comical the way lawmakers make new laws then wash their hands of the mess they create.

In the present Capitalistic society making money is encouraged....as long as you can jump through hoop A, while maintaining integrity of hoop B, following the conditions of hoop C, subject to limitations of hoop A Subpart 1(a) withstanding Appendix A, F, G(1(b)) bla bla bla bla.....
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver View Post
How about a rule requiring an airline to prominently disclose the fact that the ticket the customer bought is not necessarily a ticket on that particular airline... and that the safety, reliability, and customer service may not be to the same standards? Or in other words, how about a rule to eliminate "bait and switch" in the airline industry?
^^^^^^THIS

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good. .............
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