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View Poll Results: Delta pilots, for or against Trip Parking?
I am totally for Trip Parking! 13 13.40%
I am totally against Trip Parking! 73 75.26%
I'm not a Delta pilot, I'm just here for the pictures... 11 11.34%
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Old 05-29-2011, 07:44 PM   #1  
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If you're at Delta here is your chance to voice your opinion about trip parking. The paper and ink is free so have at it.

Now what is Trip Parking? LeineLodge has a good example:

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Say for instance I'm at "Average Line Value"+12 (with max pickup being ALV+15). I see a trip in open time that I really want to fly, but it is 15 hours. I cannot pick that trip up because it would cause me to exceed max pickup.

The key to trip parking is the swap board is not limited by max pickup. Therefore, I call a friend, who happens to have a low time line for the month, and has those days off. He Whiteslips the trip, and then "swaps" it to me for nothing in return. I just circumvented the intent of the max pickup, but technically did not break any rules of the contract.
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All they have to do is make it so you can't swap a trip that you white slipped.
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Old 05-29-2011, 08:08 PM   #3  
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I'm against it. Unless they change the icrew "swap with friends" icon to "trip parking" with a cool 1980s icon of a parking lot.....then I'm all for it.
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I wanna vote for Imma gen it, but Imma here for the pics too...
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Old 05-30-2011, 04:48 AM   #5  
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Care to take a guess at my vote?
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All they have to do is make it so you can't swap a trip that you white slipped.

That won't completely stop it, right now you don't need to do that. All you need to do is find a Buddy who's got some days off when you have a trip, then "Park" your trip on his line while you white slip something from open time, then after you get the white slip, you "unpark" your previous trip back onto your line, presto, you now have a super high time line. Of course some poor schmuck junior to you with a 67 hr. line didn't get the white slip you took by parking your other trip, but screw him, that's what he gets for being Junior, right?

I say, to fix it, do not allow a trip that's been swapped (parked), to be swapped back. ie. one and done, no double swapping.

BUT...on my last trip, BOTH F/O's were very ****ed off that DALPA was even considering stopping this, so there you go. Now, I would prefer to fly 75 every month and be home the rest of my days, but in my category, due to the trip mix (long, high time trips, no short 5-10hr. filler type trips), it is nearly impossible to get a 75 hr. line, or even an 80 or 70, it's either very high (not allowed unless you use parking) or very low, in my case 67 last month and 68 in June. There is only one trip in the bid package worth 5:15 and one worth 10:30, and they never seem to come into open time.

If you are at 67 and want to get to 75, good luck! Once in a while a 23, 25, 30, 32, even 38 hr. trips come open but guess what, "you can't touch that" if you are at 67, unless you use parking.

So, it is what it is, I don't do it, I don't like it, but on the other hand, I think the bidding window needs to be opened depending on trip mix, to allow a bidder to get something more than 67. Of course that means less lines and more guys stuck on reserve. I'm against it but I'm too lazy to use it anyway, I'd rather be sailing.
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Old 05-30-2011, 05:20 AM   #7  
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That won't completely stop it, right now you don't need to do that. All you need to do is find a Buddy who's got some days off when you have a trip, then "Park" your trip on his line while you white slip something from open time, then after you get the white slip, you "unpark" your previous trip back onto your line, presto, you now have a super high time line. Of course some poor schmuck junior to you with a 67 hr. line didn't get the white slip you took by parking your other trip, but screw him, that's what he gets for being Junior, right?

I say, to fix it, do not allow a trip that's been swapped (parked), to be swapped back. ie. one and done, no double swapping.

BUT...on my last trip, BOTH F/O's were very ****ed off that DALPA was even considering stopping this, so there you go. Now, I would prefer to fly 75 every month and be home the rest of my days, but in my category, due to the trip mix (long, high time trips, no short 5-10hr. filler type trips), it is nearly impossible to get a 75 hr. line, or even an 80 or 70, it's either very high (not allowed unless you use parking) or very low, in my case 67 last month and 68 in June. There is only one trip in the bid package worth 5:15 and one worth 10:30, and they never seem to come into open time.

If you are at 67 and want to get to 75, good luck! Once in a while a 23, 25, 30, 32, even 38 hr. trips come open but guess what, "you can't touch that" if you are at 67, unless you use parking.

So, it is what it is, I don't do it, I don't like it, but on the other hand, I think the bidding window needs to be opened depending on trip mix, to allow a bidder to get something more than 67. Of course that means less lines and more guys stuck on reserve. I'm against it but I'm too lazy to use it anyway, I'd rather be sailing.
All good points.

I wonder who are the people who are allowing trips to be parked on their line and why would you hamper yourself like that?

And I'm sure those that do park couldn't see or care the staffing consequences of trip parking.
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trip parking violates seniority. The ability to give your trip to another pilot violates seniority. If you want to give away a trip, any pilot, in seniority order, should have a shot at getting that trip. That would fix the trip parking problem.
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That won't completely stop it, right now you don't need to do that. All you need to do is find a Buddy who's got some days off when you have a trip, then "Park" your trip on his line while you white slip something from open time, then after you get the white slip, you "unpark" your previous trip back onto your line, presto, you now have a super high time line. Of course some poor schmuck junior to you with a 67 hr. line didn't get the white slip you took by parking your other trip, but screw him, that's what he gets for being Junior, right?
Its not necessarily the junior guy getting screwed. It might be the #1 guy in the category. If the trip in the pot that he wants to white slip takes him over the pick up limit but he doesn't have the right "buddies" who can park a trip for him, then the #1 guy gets the shaft. Total violation of his seniority.

Bidding and scheduling should be done using your own seniority and following the work rules laid out in the contract. It should not be an exercise in conspiracy and how many "swap friends" you can bring into the process.

Trip parking is just plain wrong.
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Disappointed, no pictures.
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