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Old 07-16-2011, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Airdale View Post
These rules really need to get in place. I was just scheduled for a reduced rest overnight on day 1 of a 3 day trip. I think I slept a total of 4.5-5hrs before reporting at 6:30am. That is just unacceptable in this business.
psst... are you scared to use the magic word "FATIGUE." What are you afraid off? Being fired? Your judgement is already impaired FCOL. I would understand if your certificate said your company's name on it but last I knew it was the United States of America. Please use better judgment with regards to being fit for duty and cover yourself with an FSAP. Too any excuses out there for flying tired!
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Old 07-16-2011, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cal73 View Post
to paraphrase a spaniard.
I do not think he means what you think he means.

Touche! The Princess Bride.

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Originally Posted by cal73 View Post
to paraphrase a spaniard.
I do not think he means what you think he means.
Inconceivable!
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Old 07-16-2011, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by saabslime View Post
Unfortunately I don't think the new rest rules will impact the majors much at all. Most of the contracts I've seen exceed the new rules rest requirements anyway.
Think international flag operations. It could change those big time.
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Old 07-16-2011, 04:59 PM
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The max duty day length based on number of legs flown will affect us here at DAL. This new rule looks like a big improvement to me, and it is an improvement over our current contract.
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Flight and Duty Time Limitations and Rest Requirements Green
Popular Title: Flight/Duty/Rest Requirements
RIN 2120-AJ58

Stage: Final Rule

Previous Stage: NPRM: Publication Date 09/14/2010;End of Comment Period 11/15/2010.
Abstract: This rulemaking would amend existing flight, duty, and rest regulations applicable to certificate holders and their flightcrew members operating under 14 CFR part 121. The new requirements would eliminate the current distinctions between domestic, flag, and supplemental operations. Also, the rulemaking would provide different requirements based on the time of day, whether an individual is acclimated to a new time zone, and the likelihood of being able to sleep under different circumstances. This rulemaking is necessary to improve aviation safety by providing applicable persons with the opportunity for sufficient rest.
Effects:

Economically Significant: Major

Regulatory Flexibility Act
Prompting action: Secretarial/Head of Operating Administration Decision
Legal Deadline: None
Rulemaking Project Initiated: 06/24/2009
Docket Number: FAA-2009-1093
Dates for Final Rule:

Date
To OST 05/27/2011
To OMB 06/13/2011
OMB Clearance 07/28/2011
Publication Date 08/08/2011
Explanation for any delay: N/A
Federal Register Citation for Final Rule: None


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Old 07-16-2011, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CE750 View Post
and the airlines certainly don't seem to be hiring in anticipation... did I miss something?
Why would they hire based on guesses as to how the rules MAY affect them?

Whatever rule will have plenty of time for the airlines to comply, since it is listed as a MAJOR economic impact.
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Old 07-17-2011, 12:32 AM
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Business group: Scrap pilot rest mandate - The Hill's Transportation Report

The nation’s largest business group is urging the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to reject a proposed regulation that is intended to guard against fatigue among pilots.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce preemptively pushed back against proposed Federal Aviation Administration regulations that would strengthen the rest requirement for flight crew-members.
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Old 07-17-2011, 03:39 AM
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Business group: Scrap pilot rest mandate - The Hill's Transportation Report

The nation’s largest business group is urging the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to reject a proposed regulation that is intended to guard against fatigue among pilots.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce preemptively pushed back against proposed Federal Aviation Administration regulations that would strengthen the rest requirement for flight crew-members.


Wow. I'll just leave it at that.
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Old 07-17-2011, 03:54 AM
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Once again it's profit over safety in this biz.

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