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Old 08-24-2011, 10:46 AM
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Since when have any Delta aircraft orders (787's, MD90's from afar) actually resulted in a net gain of flying for Delta pilots? Answer, they haven't! I wouldn't tie in a purchase of 737-9ers that may or may not happen with upgrades. With our new joint venture buddies down south, out west and the worse scope in the industry, maintaining what flying we currently have will exceed what I am expecting (don't confuse this with what I am hoping for).
If you would read your contract comparison, you would know this is certainly NOT the case. We have limits on ALL airplanes, plus very good JV language. FYI, those large RJs with UsAir colors have 86 seats in them & UAL has unlimited 70 seat RJs. That's right, unlimited. Plus the whole WB outsourcing to Air Lingus. That's just a few tidbits.
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:31 AM
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We're forced to take their word for it because it's $49 Bucking Bar bucks to look at the report. I say Bar, because he always seems to have the data lying around his house. It's not fair really.
A picture of Bar's study?



Where does he keep the computer?
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
If you would read your contract comparison, you would know this is certainly NOT the case. We have limits on ALL airplanes, plus very good JV language. FYI, those large RJs with UsAir colors have 86 seats in them & UAL has unlimited 70 seat RJs. That's right, unlimited. Plus the whole WB outsourcing to Air Lingus. That's just a few tidbits.
How many 76 seaters do you guys allow?

I wouldn't start talking up your bad scope package. It's still really poor.
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:42 AM
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How many 76 seaters do you guys allow?

I wouldn't start talking up your bad scope package. It's still really poor.
153 76 seaters. And I never said it was good, I said it wasn't the worst. But hey, at least we HAVE a limit. And we do have the best Joint Venture language hands down.
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
If you would read your contract comparison, you would know this is certainly NOT the case. We have limits on ALL airplanes, plus very good JV language. FYI, those large RJs with UsAir colors have 86 seats in them & UAL has unlimited 70 seat RJs. That's right, unlimited. Plus the whole WB outsourcing to Air Lingus. That's just a few tidbits.
I believe that this, while true, is not exactly accurate. UAL tried to keep their scope language in the New Continental corporate entity, but was not successful. The New Continental has (will have) old Continental's scope language, which is much more restrictive. Is this not more correct???
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Old 08-24-2011, 12:11 PM
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I believe that this, while true, is not exactly accurate. UAL tried to keep their scope language in the New Continental corporate entity, but was not successful. The New Continental has (will have) old Continental's scope language, which is much more restrictive. Is this not more correct???
Cal- no jets over 50 seats flown by anyone but CAL pilots

Unlimited turboprops no seat restrictions I believe, hence colgan flying the Q

The CAL guys have it figured out and are actively fighting against further scope degradation. Their MEC has even come out publically against it, something ours hasn't.....
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Old 08-24-2011, 12:16 PM
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Cal- no jets over 50 seats flown by anyone but CAL pilots

Unlimited turboprops no seat restrictions I believe, hence colgan flying the Q
Which we all know now the Q can bite you as well.

So have UCAL pilots won this fight to use CALs scope? I might have missed it but if they did that's an event that should be measured by a seismograph. If not, hope they win it here soon.
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Which we all know now the Q can bite you as well.

So have UCAL pilots won this fight to use CALs scope? I might have missed it but if they did that's an event that should be measured by a seismograph. If not, hope they win it here soon.
Still separate and UAL(cal) mgmt gave them the finger when they fought it. Grievance filed, grievance won, mgmt said fine we'll just put UAL code on those flights out of CAL bases. Which is why skypest and Rebubbalick are circumventing cals scope currently flying out of cal bases against cals scope....
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Old 08-24-2011, 01:51 PM
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I believe that this, while true, is not exactly accurate. UAL tried to keep their scope language in the New Continental corporate entity, but was not successful. The New Continental has (will have) old Continental's scope language, which is much more restrictive. Is this not more correct???
Well, it sounds like they WANT it. Whether they get it or not is TBD. I'm pulling for them though. We all should be.
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
Well, it sounds like they WANT it. Whether they get it or not is TBD. I'm pulling for them though. We all should be.
Hi Johnso29,
No argument there....of course the New United would LOVE to have the old United's scope, and will aggressively pursue that goal. The big Q is: Will the pilot's "cave-in" for marginal gains, and sell out their junior pilots. Hopefully, our industry will converge (on scope language) to where Continental currently stands. Also, the day that some airframe manufacturer builds a comfortable, efficient, quite (in the cabin) turbo prop (think Convair type room w/ ATR72 efficiency & 430 KTAS), then, we'd ALL (pilots) be caught with our collective pants down.
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