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APC225 09-01-2011 07:41 PM

Year's worth of AA pilots retire in one day
 
Airline Biz Blog | Sep 01, 2011

An unusually high number of American airlines pilots retired early as of Sept. 1 -- 111 in all.

As the Allied Pilots Associations points out, 2010's average was 11 per month, with a high of 24 in August 2010. Some other factoids:

* 23 of the retiring pilots are check airmen -- the pilots who make sure other pilots are doing it right.
* 46 of the 111 were Boeing 777 captains, plus another three 777 first officers. About one in every four 777 captain based at D/FW Airport retired.

* The average age, by my calculations, was just under 61. The youngest was a Dallas-based pilot who turned 54 in August. Eight were 63. Less than 20 were under age 60. The bulk fell in the 60 to 62 bracket.

* The average seniority among the retirees, by my calculations, was 29 years. The list included three 777 captains -- one from D/FW, two from Chicago -- with 35 years' experience, and another that would have hit 35 years in October.

As American Airlines pilots know intimately, their B Plan has an interesting feature. A pilot can lock in the value of the B Plan shares backwards for 60 days. If the shares fall sharply, they can retire and still get the shares' value from 60 days before their retirement.

The B Plan shares this summer have dropped a lot, like the entire market, and quite a few pilots decided to take their retirements now rather than hope the B Plan shares recover in value in the near future.

As more than one pilot pointed out to me in the past few weeks, a long-time pilot with a lot of money in the B Plan could have seen the value of those shares drop $200,000 or $300,000 in the past two months. They would have to work a long time just to make up in salary the amount of the decrease in their B Plan accounts.

So why not go now?

That's the B Plan, a defined-contribution plan into which American Airlines contributes an amount equal to 11 percent of a pilot's pay.

Then there's the A Plan, the pilots' defined-benefit plan. There's been a lot of pilot communication back and forth about the possibility of American filing for bankruptcy protection at some point in the future, a step that would likely result in reduced pensions and an inability to withdraw a lump sum upon retirement.

Another reason for pilots to go now rather than wait to see what happens.

Of course, the stock market didn't have a good August, either. There could always be another large group of pilots who decide to retire Oct. 1 if the B Plan shares don't recover from the market's recent dip.

111 American Airlines pilots retire on Sept. 1 : The Airline Zone

APC225 09-01-2011 07:48 PM

That's one heck if a contract provision, cashing out the lump sum using it's value from two months ago.

DashDriverYV 09-01-2011 07:57 PM

Just to give an idea, what is the value of the lump sum cashout? Sounds like aa is about to pick up classes at the school house.

TXHillCountry 09-01-2011 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1047970)
That's one heck if a contract provision, cashing out the lump sum using it's value from two months ago.

Yep, sure is. It may be the last good provision of the contract.

TXHillCountry 09-01-2011 08:27 PM

Due to 2 more curious situations, the final number is heard to be 113.

johnso29 09-01-2011 08:37 PM

That's awesome! Hope hiring starts soon. Congrats to those that got a bump. :D

Mattio 09-01-2011 08:38 PM

Wonder how many will retire tomorrow...

APC225 09-01-2011 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by TXHillCountry (Post 1047984)
Due to 2 more curious situations....

Curious?

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320ToBearz 09-01-2011 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1047967)
An unusually high number of American airlines pilots retired early as of Sept. 1 -- 111 in all.

As the Allied Pilots Associations points out, 2010's average was 11 per month, with a high of 24 in August 2010. Some other factoids:

* 23 of the retiring pilots are check airmen -- the pilots who make sure other pilots are doing it right.
* 46 of the 111 were Boeing 777 captains, plus another three 777 first officers. About one in every four 777 captain based at D/FW Airport retired.

* The average age, by my calculations, was just under 61. The youngest was a Dallas-based pilot who turned 54 in August. Eight were 63. Less than 20 were under age 60. The bulk fell in the 60 to 62 bracket.

* The average seniority among the retirees, by my calculations, was 29 years. The list included three 777 captains -- one from D/FW, two from Chicago -- with 35 years' experience, and another that would have hit 35 years in October.

As American Airlines pilots know intimately, their B Plan has an interesting feature. A pilot can lock in the value of the B Plan shares backwards for 60 days. If the shares fall sharply, they can retire and still get the shares' value from 60 days before their retirement.

The B Plan shares this summer have dropped a lot, like the entire market, and quite a few pilots decided to take their retirements now rather than hope the B Plan shares recover in value in the near future.

As more than one pilot pointed out to me in the past few weeks, a long-time pilot with a lot of money in the B Plan could have seen the value of those shares drop $200,000 or $300,000 in the past two months. They would have to work a long time just to make up in salary the amount of the decrease in their B Plan accounts.

So why not go now?

That's the B Plan, a defined-contribution plan into which American Airlines contributes an amount equal to 11 percent of a pilot's pay.

Then there's the A Plan, the pilots' defined-benefit plan. There's been a lot of pilot communication back and forth about the possibility of American filing for bankruptcy protection at some point in the future, a step that would likely result in reduced pensions and an inability to withdraw a lump sum upon retirement.

Another reason for pilots to go now rather than wait to see what happens.

Of course, the stock market didn't have a good August, either. There could always be another large group of pilots who decide to retire Oct. 1 if the B Plan shares don't recover from the market's recent dip.

111 American Airlines pilots retire on Sept. 1 : The Airline Zone

Perhaps the APA should notify these retirees that the PBGC can go back and grab lump sum payments from 3 years before the date of bankruptcy........

Google "4044 Asset Allocation Priority Category 3"

TXHillCountry 09-01-2011 08:42 PM

None. AA pilots retire effective the first of the month.


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