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Old 10-12-2011, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut View Post
What does everyone think US Airways plans are in this deal? (All the talk so far seems to be about Delta)

Did they get anything else aside from the slots? I seem to remember some route authorities were involved also.

Seems like they're losing almost 100 slots. Will this result in a reduction in flying? Where are those airplanes that fly the LGA flying going to go? They're obviously not all going to DCA.
US Airways also got a Sao Paulo route authority from Delta as part of the deal.

Where are all the planes from LGA going? Ask the regionals - that's who's flying many of those routes. Of course they'll pick up some out of DCA, but like you said, not all.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:58 AM
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Delta/USAir slot swap plan hits US antitrust snag | Reuters

What are the chances this deal still falls apart?

I would think slim, but having new antitrust issues regarding DCA and US Air can't help move this thing along.
Justice is more concerned about a DCA monopoly...there is plenty of competition at LGA. Eric Holder and the rest of DOJ have plenty of other things occupying their time besides this, like responding to the House Oversight Committee regarding Operation "Fast and Furious". Most analysts believe the Attorney General will be gone before the next election, and with a new AG comes new priorities.

This is a done deal which will lead to an increase in pilot requirements due to increased utilization.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:10 AM
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Justice is more concerned about a DCA monopoly...there is plenty of competition at LGA. Eric Holder and the rest of DOJ have plenty of other things occupying their time besides this, like responding to the House Oversight Committee regarding Operation "Fast and Furious". Most analysts believe the Attorney General will be gone before the next election, and with a new AG comes new priorities.

This is a done deal which will lead to an increase in pilot requirements due to increased utilization.
I tend to agree that this is more than likely a done deal at this point. I think the agreement conditions in LGA will remain untouched, and perhaps US Air will divest a few more slots in DCA to suffice antitrust hurdles. I personally don't think US Air is interested in growing their network as much as they are interested in "right-sizing" the company for merger/fragmentation.


Maybe if we decided to initially trade the landing slots in exchange for transporting untraceable semi-automatic weapons to drug cartels down in Mexico, then maybe the DOJ would have given us approval 2 years ago. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:17 AM
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. Your just mad because a merger with AA will end any hope for the Nicholau award.
You do realize that the Nicholau is the legal list at LCC, regardless of implementation, and in any subsequent merger would be the list used. Even if the APA pulls out their stapler. In any event, it would most certainly be the demise of USAPA.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:20 AM
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While I agree that its most likely a done deal, the USAir end of it is very open. If the DOJ is not satisfied that this deal meats Anti-Trust muster, what incentive does USAir have to give us slots in LGA and get reduced access at DCA? I know they are receiving cash and international access, but they give away their prized possession in LGA without the coveted DCA slots. As of 10:15 this morning, the slot deal had still not been posted on DetlaNet. The only NYC news is about employees painting a homeless shelter. This is 24 hours after the deal was announced. I suspect senior leadership is still trying to digest what this all means for us.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer View Post
US Airways also got a Sao Paulo route authority from Delta as part of the deal.

Where are all the planes from LGA going? Ask the regionals - that's who's flying many of those routes. Of course they'll pick up some out of DCA, but like you said, not all.
I'm sure most of the us air flying will shift to DCA, PHL, CLT since a lot of the same markets can easily be reached. The XJ Saab flying out of LGA is going to stop in December anyway, so that will leave cut off... I don't know.... maybe a little more than a quarter, as for the rest of the flights, we shall see. I sure there will be a reduction somewhere. Plus, most of the flying out of LGA was short-hop flights with little in the way of international connections, so its not as big of a loss as one might think. I do know that ZW will be closing the LGA base as a result with no plans (so far made known to employees) of opening another base else where.
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER View Post
While I agree that its most likely a done deal, the USAir end of it is very open. If the DOJ is not satisfied that this deal meats Anti-Trust muster, what incentive does USAir have to give us slots in LGA and get reduced access at DCA? I know they are receiving cash and international access, but they give away their prized possession in LGA without the coveted DCA slots. As of 10:15 this morning, the slot deal had still not been posted on DetlaNet. The only NYC news is about employees painting a homeless shelter. This is 24 hours after the deal was announced. I suspect senior leadership is still trying to digest what this all means for us.
SWA, B6, and Spirit will get some more token slots at both LGA and DCA to make DOJ happy and Anti-Trust worries go away. Delta will still be dominant at LGA and USAir at DCA respectively.
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
You do realize that the Nicholau is the legal list at LCC, regardless of implementation, and in any subsequent merger would be the list used. Even if the APA pulls out their stapler. In any event, it would most certainly be the demise of USAPA.
Yep. It would be the best possible scenario for the West pilots for there to be another merger, it would seal the deal on the Nic and eliminate USAPA.


Just remember: JOINT CONTRACT FIRST, USE 3 ARBITRATORS, SLI COMES LAST!!!!
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Originally Posted by shiznit View Post
Just remember: JOINT CONTRACT FIRST, USE 3 ARBITRATORS, SLI COMES LAST!!!!

Or, buy them, put a gun to their heads and make them vote for a deal that screws them. All so you can say it was, "mutually agreed" upon.

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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER View Post
While I agree that its most likely a done deal, the USAir end of it is very open. If the DOJ is not satisfied that this deal meats Anti-Trust muster, what incentive does USAir have to give us slots in LGA and get reduced access at DCA? I know they are receiving cash and international access, but they give away their prized possession in LGA without the coveted DCA slots. As of 10:15 this morning, the slot deal had still not been posted on DetlaNet. The only NYC news is about employees painting a homeless shelter. This is 24 hours after the deal was announced. I suspect senior leadership is still trying to digest what this all means for us.
So, let's see.

If I remember correctly, the Southwest/Air Tran combination will give the new Southwest somewhere in the vicinity of 90% of the flights out of BWI and that's ok.

But, what US Air is going to have out of DCA is problematic and still under DOJ scrutiny.

Really?
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