TSA Known Crewmember Program
 

I just read that this program still requires a pilot to be in uniform to go through. So what's the long-term plan if you aren't? Do you have to go wait in line and not jump ahead at all? Is there anything that we can do about this? I'm including a poll to see how many people travel out of uniform fairly regularly...

Bottom line. If you are not in uniform you are a passenger and subject to the same rules as they are. You can use the employee line but are subject to the same restrictions such as liquids, gels etc. Just curious, What would you like to "do about this"

That's what I figured. I have yet to figure out what a uniform has to do with anything... And that was my question, anyone have any ideas? Why didn't ALPA push for that part of the program too?

Introduce logic into it, that's what.

But Known Crewmember with uniform is a better first step than no option, for now.

Not sure what you are asking here...do you think pilots should be able to utilize KCM or jump to the front of the line when not working?

I hate commuting in uniform, but I've given up. It's just too hard to commute in civies.

Utilize KCM. It should be based on whether or not you have an ID and are in cass, not how you are dressed. An example might be if I wanted to go meet a family member at their gate but the line is an hour long. Or deadheading to an assignment via a purchased ticket if your company doesn't require a uniform for that, etc...

As of now, TSA guidelines state that the pilot MUST be in uniform, hopefully we can get that changed in the future.....

Please don't push this at a checkpoint, all it will do is jeopardize the future usefulness of the program.

Regular LEO's don't have to travel in uniform to bypass security!

The way I look at it is that I wear my uniform typically for a four day trip for multiple legs. Me wearing it to DHD or jumpseat or non rev is no big deal...whats the difference, I wear it all the time anyway.

The second way I look at it is to simply play the game. If the rules of the game state that to use KCM I have to be in uniform then fine.

I'd rather have them move the line to a more desirable location. ie at ORD, if you are going through the AA side, you have to walk pretty far to go through. When at times, the regular employee line is actually quicker.

Yes, I will follow the rules, but you have to admit its a pretty silly rule. If I have valid ID and I show up correctly in CASS, it shouldn't matter what I'm wearing.

But, I'm not going to ***** about it, because it beats the heck out of normal security.

I certainly do not disagree with you on that one. Putting on the uniform is not what makes you a known entity, it is the picture ID, a passport and being in CASS. Typically whether you are commuting to work or going somewhere for pleasure, business or whatever you are still occupying the same seat regardless of whether or not you put a uniform on that day or which security line you went through. Maybe some day it will get worked out. I am glad to see this first step in the right direction.

For me, I prefer to travel in uniform as it generally makes my airport life easier. .

Show up in uniform, go through screening, get on the flight, change into civvies in the lav. Works for me.

as soon as you are through security, hit the lav, change into civvies, on your way.

I'm a fan of the program so far. The blueberries are a little confused about it. Not sure if crew badge alone or passports too. As for the uniform, makes airport life much easier not just going through security but the commute leg too. I find the gate and fa's are a little more friendly to working nonrevs.

I travel on paid tickets to and from work and usually on very long flights. Having to wear the clown costume just to get through security and bring my liquids through is a pain in the ***. Many times I deadhead to work on a foreign carrier who forbids other airline employees from wearing uniforms so as to not confuse passengers etc. If airports overseas can use LOGIC then so can the TSA!

I commute in regular clothes. I pack my 3 oz liquids and wear slip on shoes. For me, the comfort of not having to wear a tie, being able to drink in 1st class, not being bugged by passengers, not having to wear/carry my hat is worth the extra 5-10 minutes it takes me to get through security. I do wear business casual clothes, though, just in case I have to take the jumpseat.

I can't believe you guy's are so hung up on wearing your uniform thru security. This industry has a lot more issues to deal with. Let's focus on pay, scope, etc.

They can not forbid you from wearing your uniform on a paid ticket. They can if you're a non-rev.

Works great in MIA, zipped right through security!

I'm pretty sure they can. And they most certainly do. The rules are different off the 'Island of America'. Plus it is very bad form to argue the point with the agent checking you in. "So sorry sir, only seat row 99, non-reclining middle. Between sumo champion and runner up. Behind screaming baby. Enjoy 16 hour flight back to America."


maddog, There are lots of problems in the world. One person can't fix them all. But if there are enough people fixing them, they can all get fixed.

oh ok... go tell Air France and BA that, among many others! :rolleyes:

What is up with ORD closing the KCM lanes at 6pm? What a bunch of BS. Funny thing is, there were three TSA folks there standing around with their hands in their pockets to give us this info. What an inefficient bunch.

You said it all right there. I do it the same way, business casual. The way I see it wearing the uniform is just a hassle and really does nothing for you unless bringing your big shampoo is important, which it is not for me. How much do you really need for a trip? 3oz lasts me weeks. Slip on shoes are easy. As long as you have your ID and passport, it's all good. I never have any problems.
Just what I want to do, go in a nasty airport bathroom with urine on the floor, disrobe and change, no thanks.