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Old 12-22-2011, 08:44 PM
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Canadian Legislation Eliminates Mandatory Retirement Age

Recently, the Canadian government passed the Keeping Canada’s Economy and Jobs Growing Act, which includes amendments to the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Canada Labour Code that eliminate the mandatory retirement age for federally regulated employees (including airline employees). The legislation, formally titled “C-13, An Act to Implement Certain Provisions of the 2011 Budget as Updated on June 6, 2011 and Other Measures,” was introduced by the Minister of Finance in October, and received Royal Assent on December 15, 2011.
The amendments, which will come into force one year from that date, will prohibit federal-sector employers such as airlines from imposing a mandatory retirement age unless there is a bona fide occupational requirement.

Although no mandatory retirement age is stipulated in Canadian Aviation Regulations, retirement age provisions are often found in the collective agreements between the airline and its pilots, in the policy documents of carriers whose pilots are unrepresented, and/or in the pilots’ retirement plans.

ALPA MECs and bargaining committees will work closely with staff from the Association’s Representation, Economic and Financial Analysis, and Retirement and Insurance Departments to ascertain the potential effects of this legislation on our members’ collective agreements and formulate appropriate responses to the changes.
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So what happens now? We fly till we die? If that's the case then my human rights are being violated!

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So what happens now? We fly till we die? If that's the case then my human rights are being violated!

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Retire or quit at your discretion and timing.

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Old 12-23-2011, 05:57 AM
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Only a matter of time unfortunately before the same happens in this country. Some argue age discrimination, but in my opinion age 65 will be increased or eliminated within the next 5-10 years. The result will be extremely stringent flight physical requirements, but if you remain healthy you may be flying well past 65.

And no I don't agree with it when it happens, but I will anticipate and prepare for the worst.

Who knows, maybe the physicals will eliminate some of those who have no business flying. There are plenty of walking heart attacks out there who are 300 pounds and grossly out of shape that would have a tough time passing a more stringent flight physical.
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Old 12-23-2011, 07:14 AM
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Maybe I can start a lawsuit against the FAA since they will not hire me as an ATC controller above age 31. Discrimination I say.
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...The result will be extremely stringent flight physical requirements,...
I doubt one would see increased physical requirements. The human body does not get better with age, it gets worse. Physically fit and active older folks are simply flattening the inevitable slope.

Without changing physical requirements, it seems quite likely that the attrition rate would rise just based upon age alone.

Where it gets a little muddy is if the FAA, as a matter of internal policy, attempted to circumvent a change to age 65 through increased physical requirements. Clearly there would be a much higher attrition rate than already occurring based upon age.

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...but if you remain healthy you may be flying well past 65...
That's true, except one must also be able to meet annual training standards. Elliptical machines and weights won't help multi-tasking abilities or improve reaction times.
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Old 12-23-2011, 07:46 AM
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I doubt one would see increased physical requirements. The human body does not get better with age, it gets worse. Physically fit and active older folks are simply flattening the inevitable slope.

Without changing physical requirements, it seems quite likely that the attrition rate would rise just based upon age alone.

Where it gets a little muddy is if the FAA, as a matter of internal policy, attempted to circumvent a change to age 65 through increased physical requirements. Clearly there would be a much higher attrition rate than already occurring based upon age.



That's true, except one must also be able to meet annual training standards. Elliptical machines and weights won't help multi-tasking abilities or improve reaction times.
Yeah, because the PC system seems to catch all the deficient pilots.
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Until you find the doctor that just signs you off cuz he just wants an easy 100 bucks.
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Originally Posted by FACSofLife View Post
Maybe I can start a lawsuit against the FAA since they will not hire me as an ATC controller above age 31. Discrimination I say.
I'm gonna go be an Air Force pilot, even though I was too old 15 years ago. Awesome.
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Unless ICAO changes its retirement age again, it is highly unlikely US will follow the Canadians. Will the ICAO increase pilot retirement age to 70 in the next 10 years? No one knows, except I have read that Europeans (senior wide body CAs) are pushing for age 70 rule. If Europeans manipulate the ICAO to change the pilot retirement age to 70 in the future, then we are sure to follow. Junior pilots will, again, be thrown under the bus.
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