Delta and TPG look To put bid on AMR Corp

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01-12-2012, 11:02 AM

#21

WideRide

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OK...so if it happens, let's go ahead and perform the inevitable speculation and bantering about seniority.

Let me go on the record and suggest a staple-job for American, ALA what they did to TWA. They are bankrupt, right? So was TWA - see, it works perfect. I'm kidding.

In reality, I would assume a relative seniority type of arrangement would be the likely outcome (via binding arbitration after we all beat each other up) and the end decision would be something like the DAL-NWA integration.

So...is there an American Pilot who can post up the number of pilots and ages of the AMR pilot group?

This is current Age and number of pilots on the Delta Seniority list as of October 16, 2011:

Age / Number

26 3
27 2
28 11
29 19
30 36
31 51
32 56
33 84
34 92
35 105
36 104
37 120
38 135
39 166
40 185
41 231
42 331
43 390
44 492
45 512
46 529
47 514
48 508
49 624
50 721
51 819
52 828
53 877
54 814
55 672
56 552
57 480
58 377
59 319
60 238
61 160
62 112
63 22
64 9

01-12-2012, 11:05 AM

#22

Justdoinmyjob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

They also need a terminal in JFK, and I suspect that after B6 and LCC get what they want out of the AMR mess(their JFK terminals) we get the B6 terminal for our domestic birds.

Why would we want the B6 terminal, unless that is where we want to put the RJs. Can't handle any widebodies, (not even sure if you could get a winglet 757 in there.) No customs, so now you are moving people around the airport in buses between 4 and 6.

01-12-2012, 11:11 AM

#23

BigGuns

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Quote:

Originally Posted by contrails

Not only better flow in DTW but I believe the statistic is 30,000,000 people within a 4 hour drive.

Because farmer Joe driving 4 hours once a year to fly to LAS or MCO makes a ton of money for Delta. BTW... 30 million people is more than the population of MI, OH, IN combined. Maybe there a lot of people in Canada I don't know about!

I would rather have the 9 million that live with in 1:30 of ORD, that's the population of the entire state of MI!

01-12-2012, 11:20 AM

#24

Enemyofthestate

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WideRide

I guess a lot depends on if it's an outright acquisition of the whole outfit, or a partial acquisition of assets, if those assets rise to fragmentation thresholds, if AMR would be in Ch7, and on and on.

Frankly I hope it's just assets. No ill will towards any AMR pilots, but I doubt and whole airline deal would go through without having to shed assets, and the assets we likely want ORD-DFW would likely be fenced AMR bases and the shedding would come out of the DAL side of the house with possible massive DAL furloughs

Last edited by Enemyofthestate; 01-12-2012 at 12:32 PM.

01-12-2012, 11:29 AM

#25

contrails

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigGuns

There are a lot of farmer Joe's with a six figure pension retired from auto jobs flying on the routes you mention.

Although, all of the seats from DTW to LAS and MCO combined are less than the amount of seats to Asia and Europe.

As I typed "I believe the statistic is..." for a reason, the actual population number might be something like 20,000,000 in a 3 hour drive. Whatever it is, it's a lot, and it's not sharing a delay-prone facility with two massive competitors and an LCC seven miles away with options to anywhere in the USA.

All I'm saying is, with DTW being nearly a monopoly, it's worth keeping. DTW is an outstation for all other carriers flying in except for Spirit, but SWA at MDW is a lot larger than the Spirit operation at DTW. And United at ORD.