acl65pilot

Depends, they are in CH11, expectations are different. Speculation at best right now. If they go ahead with a transaction, the details are very important.

Wasatch Phantom

ACl,

Not to pick on you but the track record of Delta's senior management team and DALPA with respect to the DAL-NWA merger hasn't produced growth for our pilots. (It's been a boon for the likes of the (too numerous to mention) DCI carriers, along with AF/KLM, ALK, etc.)

The major benefit to an acquisition of AMR would be industry consolidation and the removal of seats from the market. That same removal means fewer pilot jobs. If DAL-NWA resulted in fewer mainline pilot jobs (it has) I don't see a merger with AMR resulting in synergistic pilot job growth.

Please tell me how I'm wrong...

80ktsClamp

AMR has a similar 50% retirement point as DL. I would imagine it would be steeper after that point since no one has been hired in 10 years.

eaglefly

This is absolutely hilarious !

Some of you yahoo's already got AA sliced and diced and are already calculating your next bids and advancement schedules.

God, I love airline pilots. Complete idiots, but a blast to watch and listen too.

eaglefly

With half the chumps in the epaulette clown suits falling for it hook, line and sinker.

FIIGMO

Eagle you sound scared, backed into a corner so to speak. Need a hug?


J/K

gloopy

Not sure where you got that. You'd have to be living under a rock not to see that AMR is in play, from multipile angles and numerous scenarios. Most of the DL speculation centers around how many of our own will have to eat a furlough over this, regardless of what happens to AA or AE. Also, if you've read any of the posts, you'd see plenty of talk about the potential slicing and dicing of the DL network is a top concern.

One thing is for certain: if there is an AA fragmentation it won't be because of Delta. It will be happening anyway and DL may or may not play a part in it. Odds are that other airlines will as well, regardless of how much AA survives in tact and/or fully merges.

Also, AE will be shrunk dramatically unless AA survives as a stand alone with very little asset sales...AND...if the AA pilots gut their own scope. But if they are willing to do that to the extent necessary to preserve AE (replacing 50 seaters with 100/100+seaters) they would be just as willing to bargain away other portions of their scope to facilitate a more favorable fragmentation even if that ends up happening.

Other than maybe a very few, very senior, pilots living in ORD, MIA and DFW, no one at Delta is salivating over this because for every scenario that would cause positive movement for the DL list, there is one that causes significant stagnation and several that will cause massive career changing furloughs.

Other than running up the price for a competitor in a bidding war or getting a very few assets here or there in a full (unlikely) or partial (more likely) or very partial (most likely) fragmentation, a full on merger with AA will be absolutely horriffic for DL pilots.

Jughead

This breaking news is a great diversion from the underboob scandal that has plagued this thread for the last 3 days, but you say this with such confidence, as if this is a done deal. We read the article for the first time within the last 4 hours - how do you know it must produce growth for our pilots on the list. Period. ?

I've heard about good deals for us time and time again, but at the end of the day, I'm not any better off (financially) than I was 10 years ago. I'm not any better off (seniority wise) than I was 5 years ago. In fact, I'm worse off.

Many reps feel this way? I hope you're correct. I really hope that all of them feel this way.

RockyBoy

And I've already figured out that I would be senior to you! Ratio via category and class would put a 2007 Delta hire right up there with the early 90 hires at AA!!

FWIW, I really think this would be a horrible deal for every pilot involved. I'm almost sure I would be on the street and the massive retirements we are looking at at both airlines would just offset the reduction in flying resulting in more stagnation for everyone. I'm hoping AA pulls out of this as a stand alone carrier and we all move on, not looking that way at this point however.

Jughead

Here we go. Where's that clip of Michael Jackson eating popcorn when I need it?