ALPA Dues Increase
 

I understand that ALPA is going to increase our DUES this fall. Any other good news form ALPA?:mad:

Lol! Let's vote'em in!! Our best interests in Lee's Georgetown brownstone.

Yep... Looks like they are trying to change the bi laws and will be assessing your retirment contributions now too...

Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October 2012

check your details, BigGuns....

I just missed quoting original text... Bottom line is ALPA needs fiscal responsibility from the top down.

I got a couple details wrong myself. Hence responsibility in publishing (unlike this DPA article). Check out that one on the 757, too. YIKES. I don't know if they are pulling a lindsay lohan and just trying to still be noticed or what. But I am less than pleased with the current trend vector.

I totally agree that ALPA needs fiscal responsibility, but the DPA people are showing now that they are going to be more of the same crap.

If this is about the 401k exemption, which doesn't pertain to Delta pilots, then it's total BS. Please tell me that the DPA isn't trying to spin this as an increase on Delta pilot dues, because if they are, that's just not true. DYODD, because obviously the DPA isn't in this case.

FWIW, it is the elimination of an exemption of pilot contributions to a 401k from dues calculations at carriers where that is their only source of retirement. That applies to a few regionals, which are already cost negative to ALPA.

Correct. Delta pilots already pay dues in this manner. No dues increase for any Delta pilot, even if this is ratified. And as of right now, I'll be surprised if this even goes through, anyway. It was already voted down once before a few years ago.

It sure as heck better go through, because right now, UAL pilots aren't paying dues on their 401k contributions either, and haven't been since their DB terminated in 2005. :mad::mad:

As a ual pilot I can only hope we are out of alpa by then.

Yeah, that's working so well for APA and USAPA.

Don't care have not seen alpa work for over 27 years, you can have them, willing to try something difference.

Make it almost 30 years. All one has to do is read the latest bulletin from DALPA about ALPA's imminent bankruptcy and insolvency due to the TWA and Air Tran lawsuits. This is just the beginning folks. After raising our dues all they can, the assessments will be next to keep these worthless fat cats in power. Don't get me wrong. With 12,000 plus pilots at Delta alone someone has definitely got to speak as one voice for us, but that one voice is definitely not ALPA. We can do much better for a much better price than ALPA is charging.

Great....another back-door dues increase through my 401K. We voted that down a few years ago. It was all RAH RAH RAH from ALPA how being assessed dues on the 401K was a good thing for us at XJ (the typical hard sell), followed by deafening silence after it was voted down. Their argument was that it isn't "fair" that a 401K at a regional isn't assessed dues, but one at the majors are. My solution for them was simple. I'd be willing to pay dues on my 401K if we had a defined benefit plan. Once again...deafening silence. They knew that outright raisig of the dues would be opposed by all, but the 401K thing might slip through the cracks to make up for the lost income of losing the USAIR representation. Seems that I'm either getting hosed by the governemnt via taxes, the company via bankruptcy, or the union through higher fees. All trying to make up for their screw-ups by taking it out of my wallet. I've about had it.

Ah yes, this makes good and perfect sense. Regional guys DON'T have any form of retirement other than a 401(k), usually with a miserable match...so let's skim another 2% off the top! Well played, ALPA, you're developing quite the cheering section among the next generation of mainline pilots...I see this working out quite well for you in the long run. </snark>Not that Moak cares, he'll be on to bigger and better things by then.

Now THERE's a shocker.

Does anyone else find it ironic that DPA's primary complaint is that ALPA spends too much money on regional pilots; yet, when ALPA considers a proposal to level the playing field with respect to ALPA dues on 401k contributions, which will negatively impact regional pilots, yet have no effect on Delta pilots, they are up in arms?

So, why don't you negotiate for a better retirement, rather than having me subsidize your present one via a dues exemption?

So after Pinnacle pilots are reamed by management in Chp 11 bankruptcy with a huge concessionary contract, ALPA will then take their dues on the 401k contributions as well? Well played, ALPA! Those fat cats in Herndon need to cushion their $500,000 salaries.


Pathetic.

Comair did, and Delta made sure they were punished for it.

I think they and every ALPA pilot should pay their fair share. Every ALPA pilot should pay the same percentage as everyone else on the money they earn. If they then decide to put a portion of it in a 401k, that's their business, but the rest of us should not have to subsidize them.

On a separate matter with regards to the claims by the DPA that ALPA is going to raise everyone's dues, I'm disappointed that the DPA would deceive their fellow pilots when no such effort is underway.

I also watched the unedited treasurer's report on the ALPA website. I came away from it with a totally different sense of ALPA's financial status then the highly edited DPA version.